Saturday, May 31, 2008

PASTOR STRADER SPEAKS: On Todd Bentley, Emma, Revival, etc.

The past couple of days Pastor Stephen Strader of Lakeland's Ignited Church of the Assemblies of God has been trading e-mails with me regarding my "Open Letter" and about what is happening in Lakeland. Pastor Strader's Ignited Church started the meetings with Todd Bentley that have now become the "Florida Outpouring". (Revealing info about Ignited Church in that link as well.)

Of the several letters I sent, I honestly was least expecting to hear from Pastor Strader. Pastor Strader was the only person kind enough to answer my Open Letters directly even though he must be exceedingly busy. (They have been busy changing venue locations, etc. in Lakeland.)

I would like to say to him personally that I sincerely appreciated his engaging me in this discussion.

In our e-mail exchanges Pastor Strader discusses the "angel" Emma, Todd Bentley's relationship to Bob Jones, Patricia King, etc. and his methods of "stewarding" this movement.

I am going to post the e-mails in order, and in their entirety and let Pastor Strader speak for himself.

Once again (as with both John Kilpatrick's and Dr. George O. Wood's statements regarding my letters) my questions were basically ignored, but you will se that the last things Pastor Strader wrote answer my questions pretty clearly. Please comment below.

The e-mails follow: My e-mails/responses are BLUE Pastor Strader's are RED
(NOTE: This is a LONG post containing 4 e-mails and 4 responses but WELL WORTH YOUR TIME.)

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MY FIRST E-MAIL TO PASTOR STRADER:
The "Open Letter"...


From: jon@thewaycf.com
To: karlajoy@aol.com
Sent: 5/26/2008 1:48:06 P.M.
Subj: Pastor Stephen Strader - 2 questions...

Pastor Stephen Strader,

I am in the process of determining the Assemblies of God current position concerning previous Official Statements and their official view of Todd Bentley. Out of 5 letters I have sent (to Dr. George Wood, Terry Raburn, Steve Hill, John Kilpatrick and AG Public Relations Director Keith Surface) I have only received a response from Pastor John Kilpatrick. But I am not satisfied with his statement as it answers no questions concerning Todd Bentley's doctrine and what the Assemblies of God congregations should do with it. (i.e., ignore it, condemn it, or support it)

I've been in church all of my life. Every minister I have ever known took such a high view of doctrine and their ministry/pulpit responsibilities that they would never allow ANYONE to preach from their pulpit without first finding out what they believe. Yet (as one of our commenters believed) John Kilpatrick, at least, was "reverse-duped" and tricked into speaking at Todd Bentley's pulpit without knowing HIS doctrine.

Pastor Kilpatrick issued this statement in response to my e-mail about the Lakeland Revival:

I, John Kilpatrick, went down to Todd Bentley’s meetings, the Florida Outpouring, and gave my blessing to revival. I made it clear that I didn’t know Todd, his doctrinal belief nor who he is affiliated with, if anyone. To me, doctrine is very important. It always has been and it always will be. It is the infrastructure that a move of God runs on. You can not separate a man from his doctrine.

The purpose of my going to Lakeland was to bless what God was doing. I continue to champion and pray that it stands the test of time.

John A. Kilpatrick


My concern is, how could Pastor Kilpatrick, a man who claims to holds doctrine so highly, (and I believe he does) do something like stand in front of possibly millions of people to bless Todd Bentley and the "Florida Outpouring" as a man and move of God?

Also, how can you, in maintaining an Assemblies of God church, host, sponsor, and support Todd Bentley and his unbiblical (as the Assemblies of God have previously declared) ministry?

In the end there are only three options I can see why Pastors John Kilpatrick and Steve Hill and yourself might stand in front of possibly millions of people to bless Todd Bentley and the "Florida Outpouring"...

(1) You (they) are going against the AoG Position Papers and over 50 years of refusing to support the Latter Rain movement by the Assemblies of God thus accepting the "Latter Rain" doctrines of Todd Bentley.

(2) You (they) do NOT hold doctrine or the issue of another man's "doctrine" nearly as highly as you (they) should (and which Pastor Kilpatrick's response says he does). At least not high enough to check out Todd Bentley's doctrine in advance of hosting, sponsoring, supporting and appearing on stage with him.

(3) You (they) were drugged, kidnapped, led to the revival by force, and forced to host Todd Bentley and to speak and pray on that stage.

I want to believe Pastor Kilpatrick when he says that he holds doctrine in high regard, but I can't when he was thoughtless enough to put himself in front of the world (on satellite camera) to say "This is a move of God..." and "I bless you (Todd) in Jesus' name, that this thing (Todd's revival) would go worldwide" when Todd Bentley's doctrine is so completely unbiblical.

I have also heard you spend a great deal of time on television and internet video defending Todd Bentley and this revival as a move of God. The only problem is that you can't defend that position by scripture.

Pastor Kilpatrick said in his statement to me that doctrine "is the infrastructure that a move of God runs on. You can not separate a man from his doctrine." I agree. But there has been easy-to-find, ample evidence documented about Todd Bentley's doctrines and "Latter Rain" associations for quite some time and they should have alarmed all of you to the truth.

This statement sounds to me like Pastor Kilpatrick is attempting to say that he knew NOTHING of Todd Bentley's doctrine...and that's my point!

And that's why he, yourself, Pastor Steve Hill, Terry Raburn, and Dr. George Wood should now "fess up" to the worldwide members of Assembly of God churches and say:
"I made a mistake. I was duped. (if applicable) I do not support Todd Bentley's ministry. I stand with the Assemblies of God General Council of 1949 and the Resolution 16 Position Papers in taking a bold stand against any of Todd Bentley's "Latter Rain/Joel's Army" doctrines. And I, Steve Hill & John Kilpatrick were wrong to go on his stage, support him, promote him and host him."

And it is time NOW for the Assemblies of God to pull themselves OUT of this unbiblical movement that is claiming to be "of God" yet is mixed and mingled with heresies and heretics, false prophecies and false prophets, false teachings and false teachers, and worst of all, a leader who (by his own words) makes Jesus Christ of less concern than the "the supernatural"... and He says God told him to do it!

Or maybe you, Pastor Strader are a full Todd Bentley/Latter Rain supporter. If so, I believe you should "fess up" to the worldwide members of Assembly of God churches that you have accepted as authentic that which the Assemblies of God has historically called unbiblical. Then the many who still hold dearly the Holy Word of God and the past godly resolutions of the Assemblies of God can have a final word. Until you make a statement, tens of thousands of your members are confused. This revival DOES NOT line up with scripture, its leader DOES NOT line up with scripture, his mentors, BOB JONES, JACK COE, WILLIAM BRANHAM, A.A. ALLEN etc. etc., who DO NOT line up with scripture, and, some of which, the Assemblies of God have in the past refused to associate with, or the Assemblies of God have taken away AG credentials from.

The Assembly of God congregations and pastors MUST know where you stand in relation to Todd Bentley, because he is basically saying "What the AG formerly said is false. These are men of God! These are moves of God! These are the words of God!" etc, etc,

The Assembly of God congregations and pastors MUST know where you stand in relation to Todd Bentley so they can decide whether they will go along with the NEW Assemblies of God, or continue to agree with the OLD Assemblies of God and deem it unbiblical, and get out.

I only have two questions and I would like you to answer them in response to this e-mail...

1. Do you, Stephen Strader agree with and stand behind the official statements of the Assemblies of God General Councils of 1949 and in Resolution 16 at General Council 2000 concerning the Latter Rain movement and End Time Revival, which both condemned the Latter Rain movement and its doctrines as unbiblical?

These doctrines include:
• The overemphasis on identifying, bestowing, or imparting spiritual gifts by the laying on of hands and naming, supposedly by prophecy, specific gifts.
• The problematic teaching that present-day offices of apostles and prophets should govern church ministry at all levels. and "The erroneous teaching that the church is built on the foundation of present-day apostles and prophets"
• "The extreme teaching... of confession of sin to man and deliverance as practiced, which claims prerogatives to human agency which belongs only to Christ"
• The practice of imparting or imposing personal leadings by means of gifts of utterance.
• Wresting and distorting Scripture through interpretations that are in opposition to the primary meaning of biblical passages.
• Kingdom Now or Dominion theology.
• Manifest Sons of God and Joel’s Army
• Spiritualizing Biblical Events and History
• The Prosperity Gospel
• Birthing
• Generational Curses
• Excessive fixation on Satan and demonic spirits
• Excessive Fascination With Physical "Manifestations

[ ] I AGREE with the statements of AGGC (1949 and 2000) concerning the Latter Rain Movement and End-Time Revival.
[ ] I DISAGREE with the statements of AGGC (1949 and 2000) concerning the Latter Rain Movement and End-Time Revival.


2. Do you, Stephen Strader, officially consider Todd Bentley's doctrines and ministry (as documented in his many teachings, videos etc) as straight (II Timothy 2:15), and consistently in line with the Word of God?

[ ] I believe Todd Bentley's doctrines and ministry are BIBLICAL
[ ] I believe Todd Bentley's doctrines and ministry are IN ERROR


Two simple questions. I would be satisfied and would have no further questions for you if I could get you to answer those two simple questions.
And I believe that the entire Assemblies of God denomination deserves to hear those answers so that they may be led out of confusion!

I eagerly await your response. If I do not receive one within 72 hours I will take it upon myself to begin a campaign and will do all I can to get the word out about the contradictions of the National Headquarters from 1948, to 2000, to today, to the AG churches and pastors of the world so they can make an informed, biblical decision about Todd Bentley.

I sincerely hope you decide to clear this question up for me, for all of my readers, and for the world, even though you will be criticized by some. And I sincerely hope you are still willing to "wear that criticism gladly as a sign of fidelity to Christ" like you said you would at General Council in 2000!


In Christ,

Jon Sharp

blog.thewaycf.com

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PASTOR STRADER'S FIRST RESPONSE FOLLOWS:

From: pastor@ignitedchurch.com
To:
jon@thewaycf.com.com
Sent: 5/26/2008 3:53:06 P.M.
Subj: Re: Pastor Stephen Strader - 2 questions...


Jon

I'm very sorry... I just don't have the time to answer all of your questions or concerns...

I guarantee that if you had three A/G pastors in a room, somebody would be in disagreement with something one of the other two is doing.

This is NOT about the A/G or Todd or me... this is a God thing... I don't "own it" nor can I "control it"

I think the mistakes of the A/G is that they "threw out the baby with the bath water" when they renounced the "latter rain" outpouring. I think they made "blanket statements" that condemned the whole bunch because of a few "bad apples"...

None of us wants to make that same mistake again.

The A/G made those statements "years" after the movement was started... today is only day 55... do you understand that WE don't even understand what is happening???

Todd and I have discussed many doctrinal "adjustments" that he has made over his ten years of ministry -- just like any man of God -- he is constantly adjusting...

as of TODAY -- Todd has said or done nothing that is in direct conflict with any A/G doctrine. He has had "guests" on the platform that would not be acceptable, but "those guests" are just "guests" and Todd and myself are leading this as best we can.

Have you ever watched Fox News have a "panel debate" over a "speech" given by the President??? Those speeches have been "thought out" worked on by specialists... lawyers... politicians... etc... EVERYTHING we are doing on that stage is PURE SPONTANEOUS... it's like trying to "ride a bull"...

There are been many mistakes... we make adjustments and get back on the bull the next day... PLEASE -- PRAY FOR US -- this is NOT the time to "dissect" this or "analyze this"... We need your prayers and encouragement.

Do you remember when the hurricane hit New Orleans? You had people DEMANDING to know "why" there were people in the super dome not being cared for... they wanted answers... that wasn't the time to ask "why"... it was TIME TO GET THEM HELP...

We need HELP... not questions...

Stephen Strader
pastor@ignitedchurch.com
www.ignitedchurch.com

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MY SECOND E-MAIL TO PASTOR STRADER:

From: jon@thewaycf.com
To: pastor@ignitedchurch.com
Sent: 5/27/2008 8:05:06 P.M.
Subj: my previous e-mail...

Sir,

First, I would like to thank you sincerely for responding so quickly to my e-mail. I know you are unbelievably busy. I do want you to know that I do not have malicious intents in this "campaign".

However, the doctrines being taught by Todd Bentley (and that have been taught, and that are still posted on his freshfire.ca website) are clearly against the Word of God. I have no choice but to stand against it and warn others to stay away.

You wrote... "He (Todd) has had "guests" on the platform that would not be acceptable (by AoG Standards), but "those guests" are just "guests" and Todd and myself are leading this as best we can."

Unfortunately, Todd's guests ARE your guests... and guests of the Assemblies of God via Ignited Church. What does "leadership" mean if not keeping heretics off your stage? And if they are unacceptable to the AoG, then you, Pastor Strader, should be reprimanded by Springfield for hosting these "unacceptable guests"! But I suppose Springfield is not worried about their "flock" judging from the letter I received from Dr. Wood. LINK That saddens me since the teachings of the "guests" that you mentioned you have hosted on the platform are flat-out heretical in several cases as are Mr. Bentley's ideas of the natures and personalities of God, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit.

You said "as of TODAY -- Todd has said or done nothing that is in direct conflict with any A/G doctrine."

That is very much debatable, and the silence of any prominent AG leader thus far concerning Todd Bentley's doctrine also worries me greatly about the spiritual health of the denomination!

Finally, you said "Do you remember when the hurricane hit New Orleans? You had people DEMANDING to know "why" there were people in the super dome not being cared for... they wanted answers... that wasn't the time to ask "why"... it was TIME TO GET THEM HELP... We need HELP... not questions..."

My response is "How many more souls would have died without the questions being raised?" Questions are what create solutions. Unfortunately for the "revival", questions also bring out the Truth.

Pastor Strader, NOW IS the time to ask biblical questions and make hard biblical choices to help "save the people blown by every wind of doctrine" both from this mess now, and from future " hurricane winds" of false revival. To "Wait and See" what is left standing and who is left alive after the storm blows over is the WRONG MOVE! People are being blown to destruction by way of Todd's unbiblical "Winds of Change" mess.

You said that you needed "Prayers and Encouragement"... I believe we should ALL oblige you. I am praying for you. I am praying for Todd Bentley. And I am praying for all others involved and the thousands of people who are being led into deception by way of the "Florida Outpouring". It is an unbiblical move of a false angel/god, being led by a biblically-false prophet and a false teacher.

Therefore the one thing I can't pray for is the success of this "revival".

As for encouragement, I can't offer to hold your arms up in this case because I believe you are fighting the wrong side of the war!

However, with all sincerity, I ENCOURAGE YOU, and Todd Bentley, and everyone else involved with this "outpouring", to dump the watered-down message that is being "preached". As a rule, it has been consistently falling outside the written, revealed Word of God. The world does not need healing. They need salvation. They don't need "electricity", they need the definition of the Power of God (Dunamis) that the Bible gives time and time again... the Gospel of Jesus Christ IS the "Power of God".

You have before you the greatest opportunity anyone has had in hundreds of years! You have a worldwide audience. Now *IS* the ONLY time you will have to dissect and analyze this...
I ENCOURAGE YOU to examine what has been going forth... and as Pastor, make sure that the watered down message that has been being preached is replaced with the concentrated, pure stuff...
Drop the weak "gospel" of healing, signs, wonders, prosperity and miracles... and preach instead the consistent, clear message of sin, faith, repentance, and salvation/righteousness through Jesus Christ alone.

Miracles and healings will always be worked by God... and souls will always be saved in the same manner... but it all only happens when people begin falling on their faces in repentance, rather than on their backs, wishing for a miracle. I ENCOURAGE YOU, surrender to the will of God, repent from the message you are backing, and fight for Who you know is Right! Stand brave and preach a "Sinners in the hands of an angry God" message! Stand brave and preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ! Stand brave and do what you must with the revival... Only then will lives will be eternally changed. Only through the preaching of His Son and our Savior, Jesus Christ will God will be glorified. And then you will have many who will be scrambling to hold your arms up!

I would sincerely appreciate it if you would share this letter with Todd Bentley, John & Carol Arnott, Patricia King, Bob Jones, Paul Cain, Roy Fields, and anyone else you wish.

Sincerely,
In Christ,

Jon Sharp
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PASTOR STRADER'S SECOND RESPONSE FOLLOWS:

From: Stephen Strader
To: TheWayCF (Jon)
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: My previous letter...


please list the heretics that have been on the stage
I'm not aware of but one... has he has not been invited back


Stephen Strader
pastor@ignitedchurch.com
www.ignitedchurch.com


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MY THIRD E-MAIL TO PASTOR STRADER:

On May 28, 2008, at 3:25 AM, Totally Sharp (Jon) wrote:


Pastor Strader,

The fact that Paul Cain was invited in the first place is the problem. The damage has been done so it doesn't matter whether that he won't be invited back.

FIRST: Would you not consider Patricia King a heretic?

(Patricia King has never backed down from calling her "Great Cloud of Witnesses" experience "truth"... but has only said that she would stop selling it.)
She said: "I am not admitting error in any of the content I have shared. A full theological review will determine this in the future. But, I am very sorry for communicating it in wrong timing, in an unwise manner, and perhaps to wrong audiences who were not ready or able to process and sift through the concepts and revelations."

and elsewhere (on her website)...

"Patricia has personally never spoken to anyone in the Great Cloud of Witnesses and she does not believe that we are to call for them (BUT THEY CAN "CALL US"?)
http://extremeprophetic.com/ask_patricia_pg1.htm(BUT IF THEY START A CONVERSATION, ITS OK?) She has, however had a visionary encounter on two occasions which involved the Great Cloud of Witnesses. Hebrews 12:1 says they "surround us.” She is not sure what Todd believes about the Great Cloud of Witnesses releasing mantles or empowerment. Patricia has come to no conclusions on that subject herself..."

SECOND: Would you not consider Bob Jones a heretic?

Bob Jones says that God's question for entrance into heaven is that "Have you learned to love?"... And if you HAVEN"T, don't worry, some still "get in" but with no fruit. I'm not sure what those who went to hell in his vision did to deserve it.

(He also says) his hands started "working funny" (turning colors and having healing properties) after a bolt of blue lightning came into his basement?

Bob Jones seems to be saying that healing gifts come from encounters with lightning... and that the Blood of Christ is trumped by "love for brethren" in satisfying God's wrath? Sounds like heresy to me.

THIRD: Unfortunately, I believe this is pure heresy from Todd Bentley himself... not to mention other issues from his past/current website "teachings" AND the fact that he constantly refers to heretics, false prophets, drunks, etc of the past as people he emulates and admires.

In fact, you are in close proximity to Mr. Bentley... Would you please (and I'm serious) ask him why he removed references to the angel's name of "Emma" from his website,... or give me his e-mail address and I would be glad to ask him myself.

Please reply to explain how any of these are not heresies. It concerns me greatly that you don't see them as such.

Thank you for the dialog.

In Christ,

Jon Sharp


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PASTOR STRADER'S THIRD RESPONSE FOLLOWS:

From: Stephen Strader
To: TheWayCF(Jon)
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: My previous letter...


Jon

I have sat and discussed all of these with all three... I am satisfied that they were on a journey, they experienced some things... they have sought wise - theological counsel - they have and continue to make adjustments -- and -- as far as I am concerned today -- they are not and have not taught anything that is heretical.

For example -- the whole "emma" experience happened seven years ago... Todd went through a thorough year of a "sabbatical" two years ago when he focused his faith & theology... and that's when he pulled those things from his website... some additional things were on his website -- discovered by critics -- and he had those pulled as well.

Another example -- there are examples of "saints" appearing to people in the bible -- but Todd nor I believe that we should ever "seek" to experience those things... we can "seek" to experience what John the Revelatory experienced in Revelation... but it certainly is not a "casual" or "common" every - day experience...

The bottom line is Todd, Patricia, and Bob Jones are "out there" -- pushing the envelope of faith... they are not "theologians"... and they receive "correction" from righteous brothers in the Lord... I know this first hand.

This ATTENTION that they are receiving right now has forced them on a journey of theology and doctrine... and I personally give you my word that they are making correction.

Will they "satisfy" your doctrine... probably not... maybe not even mine... but what I do know beyond any shadow of a doubt... they truly love Jesus -- Christ is the center and focus of their lives... and they are living right...

The word says -- let every man work out his salvation with fear and trembling...

Of course I'm responsible for what happens in my pulpit... and my pulpit is clean as far as I know. I have corrected anything that I have felt uncomfortable with including Bob Jones mentioning "emma"... and Todd agreed with me and talked with Bob about it... it won't happen again.

Jon... if you and I were having a discussion with a Southern Baptist... they would not agree with anything other than the blood & the cross... they read the same bible and they just choose to ignore the work of the Holy Spirit, signs & wonders, and miracles. I don't want to be like that... I want to be open to the move of the Spirit.

The bible says -- by their fruits you shall know them... I am seeing & experiencing incredible fruit... I do not see people running around having "angelic" experiences or "talking" with dead saints... I see people having a first hand experience with Christ and His Holy Spirit -- period... no exceptions... so far.

New Converts are being won... we are developing a followup that is based on biblical discipleship... and it comes right out of A/G doctrine...

What more can I say? If you choose to "throw this outpouring out" because of past mistakes or possible heresy's of people loosely connected... you will be missing the work of the Holy Spirit -- just like the A/G did back in the 50's when they rejected the Latter Rain movement instead of "stewarding" it...

I'm trying to steward this... why do you think I've spent 30 minutes responding to you -- I don't know you -- and I have 1200 unread emails on my computer.

Stephen Strader
pastor@ignitedchurch.com
www.ignitedchurch.com

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MY FOURTH E-MAIL TO PASTOR STRADER:

On May 28, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Totally Sharp (Jon) wrote:


Pastor Strader,

Thank you for your quick reply. I have responded to what you wrote me in BLUE. Your text remains (RED). I wrote more below these responses.... You wrote:

Jon
I have sat and discussed all of these with all three... I am satisfied that they were on a journey, they experienced some things... they have sought wise - theological counsel -

{could you please give me names and positions of some of these wise counselors?}

they have and continue to make adjustments
{to what? personal doctrine and beliefs? or to their recorded words?}

-- and -- as far as I am concerned today have not taught anything that is heretical.
{today?}

For example -- the whole "emma" experience happened seven years ago... Todd went through a thorough year of a "sabbatical" two years ago when he focused his faith & theology... and that's when he pulled those things from his website...
{so does he no longer believe the angel's name was Emma?... or does he believe the experience never happened?... because the account remains on his website. Yet the name Emma has disappeared}

some additional things were on his website
{has he changed his views on those "additional things" as being "biblical" or "from God"... or is he just keeping them from public scrutiny yet maintaining the belief?}

-- discovered by critics -- and he had those pulled as well.
Another example -- there are examples of "saints" appearing to people in the bible -- but Todd nor I believe that we should ever "seek" to experience those things... we can "seek" to experience what John the Revelatory experienced in Revelation... but it certainly is not a "casual" or "common" every-day experience...
{ It seems to be an every-day experience for Todd Bentley - by his statements I see that he has regular access if not daily access to an open portal to heaven and God speaks DIRECTLY verbally to him near daily, if I am to believe his statements on the many nights of services I've watched}

The bottom line is Todd, Patricia, and Bob Jones are "out there" -- pushing the envelope of faith...
{sir, they are "pushing the envelope" of the Word of God -- to their own destruction! The phrase means "To exceed the existing limits in a certain field;... Well, GOD set the limits. Who are Todd Bentley, Bob Jones and Patricia King to "push" God's limits?}

they are not "theologians"
{definition: a person versed in the field of study and analysis ...of God and of God's attributes and relations to the universe; study of divine things or religious truth; RELIGIOUS TRUTH does not come from seminary-- it comes from the Bible. If they are not theologians as the Bereans were, why should we want them teaching us or our loved ones about God, his attributes, or religious truth? I am not a heart surgeon. So I don't do heart surgery! I do study and analyze God's Word, so I preach it.}

..and they receive "correction" from righteous brothers in the Lord... I know this first hand.
{Could you please give me the names and positions of some of these righteous brothers?}

This ATTENTION that they are receiving right now has forced them on a journey of theology and doctrine... and I personally give you my word that they are making correction.
{Yet they are teaching others daily the same stuff that they are soon going to have to "correct"?? They should not be on stage yet if they are in the middle of this unsure journey to find what they believe!}

Will they "satisfy" your doctrine... probably not... maybe not even mine... but what I do know beyond any shadow of a doubt... they truly love Jesus -- Christ is the center and focus of their lives...
{Then why is Jesus NOT the center and focus of the "Florida Outpouring"? Todd talks about Jesus at most 1/20th of the time that he talks about everything else... I know... I've counted it up.}

and they are living right...
{I assume you mean morally... I have no reason to doubt it. And I have personally never said anything or written anything about tattoos, dress, criminal records, piercings, etc. They don't matter to me. All I care about is that the Gospel of Jesus Christ, crucified and resurrected, is the message Todd preaches... on television he has failed.}

The word says -- let every man work out his salvation with fear and trembling...
{Sir, you are misusing this verse - it does not mean "figure things out"...

Philippians 2:1-2 (NLT) Is there any encouragement from belonging to Christ? Any comfort from his love? Any fellowship together in the Spirit? Are your hearts tender and compassionate? Then make me truly happy by agreeing wholeheartedly with each other, loving one another, and working together with one mind and purpose.
Philippians 2:5 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.
Philippians 2:7 ...he took the humble position of a slave...
Philippians 2:8-13 ...he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal’s death on a cross. Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Dear friends, you always followed my instructions when I was with you. And now that I am away, it is even more important. Work hard to show (((in context, this means to "push OUT" in full view of the world what God has "WORKED IN" you))) the results of your salvation, obeying God with deep reverence and fear. For God is working in you, giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases him...


So GOD does it ALL by working in us... We can't "work anything out" concerning our salvation.}

Of course I'm responsible for what happens in my pulpit... and my pulpit is clean as far as I know. I have corrected anything that I have felt uncomfortable with including Bob Jones mentioning "emma"... and Todd agreed with me and talked with Bob about it... it won't happen again.
{Frankly I don't care what you, or I, or any other pastor is "uncomfortable" with... our "hearts are deceitfully wicked"... I only care that we judge all words and deeds by the Word of God.

Once we take liberties to venture outside his revealed Word looking for "truth" we have no limits. Suppose Bob Jones said that he had a picnic on the moon with the prophet Daniel, Elvis Presley and 12 little green cheese men. Who am I or who are you to doubt him?

If we don't have a RULE by which to measure ALL things, then anybody can say anything and we have no way to refute it! II Timothy 3:16 says ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be COMPLETE, thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work.}

Jon... if you and I were having a discussion with a Southern Baptist... they would not agree with anything other than the blood & the cross... they read the same bible and they just choose to ignore the work of the Holy Spirit, signs & wonders, and miracles. I don't want to be like that... I want to be open to the move of the Spirit.
{Me too. But any "move" MUST be measured, judged, and limited by the Scriptures. The minute it falls outside the bounds of the Bible, we must call it ERROR.

Bob DeWaay gives this illustration about "putting God in a box". He says that's the wrong perspective. We DON'T put God in a box... he has already put us safely in a sheepfold. And the fenceline of that sheepfold is the Word of God! Outside the "hedge of protection" he has graciously given are the "wolves" and the "lion seeking to devour us"

How can we know with assurance whether Bob Jones or Todd Bentley or Patricia King is a wolf in sheeps clothing??
By YOUR ASSURANCE TO ME?
By PATRICIA KING'S STATEMENT ON HER TV SHOW?
By THE WORD of TODD?....
No..... these things are only measurable by the Word of God!}

The bible says -- by their fruits you shall know them... I am seeing & experiencing incredible fruit...
{Each individual "fruit" of the Spirit is commonly counterfeited even by cult leaders like Jim Jones and psychopaths like Hitler. The true "fruit of the Spirit is singular" Love-Joy-Peace-Patience-Kindness-Goodness-Gentleness-Self Control, this singular "fruit" comes from a singular "Holy Spirt" and is the evidence that you are a "seed-bearing" plant. The ONLY eternal fruit of a believer are the souls which he has a part in reaching with the Gospel...}

I do not see people running around having "angelic" experiences or "talking" with dead saints... I see people having a first hand experience with Christ and His Holy Spirit -- period... no exceptions... so far.
New Converts are being won... we are developing a followup that is based on biblical discipleship... and it comes right out of A/G doctrine...
{I'm not saying people aren't hearing the Gospel, I'm not saying no one is being saved. I'm saying everytime I have watched on television there has been (1) a near-worthless attempt at presenting of the Gospel or (2) NO presentation of the Gospel... maybe it is happening before or after you are "on-air". Please tell me if I am wrong... I hope I am.}

What more can I say? If you choose to "throw this outpouring out" because of past mistakes or possible heresy's of people loosely connected... you will be missing the work of the Holy Spirit
{The same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead DWELLS IN ME... How can I "miss his work"?}

-- just like the A/G did back in the 50's when they rejected the Latter Rain movement instead of "stewarding" it... I'm trying to steward this...
{1 Corinthians 4:2: "IT IS REQUIRED IN STEWARDS, THAT A MAN BE FOUND FAITHFUL - How but by the Word of God can you say that you have been faithful or not? How but by the Word of God can you even attempt to steward this movement? I believe the A/G did the right thing in the 50's according to the Word of God.

why do you think I've spent 30 minutes responding to you -- I don't know you -- and I have 1200 unread emails on my computer.

Stephen Strader

Pastor Strader, Though it appears we disagree on vital issues I VERY SINCERELY appreciate you taking the time for me. It greatly encourages me that at least SOMEONE in the A/G organization was concerned enough to deal with at least some questions and honestly I least expected that it would be you.

As I said, I am praying for you, for Todd and for all of your visitors. I am praying for you... that you can remain faithful to the Word of God. I am praying that you keep yourself INSIDE God's sheepfold of His Word so that that you will not deceived by the wolves to come out.

Please know that I desire revival as well... I'm just sad that we seem to have different definitions of the word.
I pray that God will bless you and reveal his Truth to you by His Spirit through His Word (in that laptop on your lap?) ;)

Isa 8:19 And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God?
Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony! (GODS WORD) If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Please respond with a note even if you don't have time to deal with the above points. I would like to know if you would have any problem with me posting these correspondences on my blog.
It really is kind of you to engage me in this discussion and I believe you have answered some questions my readers probably have.

I hope you know that I am sincerely not being malicious toward any but simply defending the Word of God against what I believe are huge problems with the Florida Outpouring.
I am of no denomination so I have no one to answer to but God and I take that position very seriously. If I don't "do what I know is right" to me it would be sin.

In Christ,

Jon Sharp


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PASTOR STRADER'S FOURTH RESPONSE FOLLOWS:

Jon

I'm so sorry...
I have over 1500 unread emails just from the last few days...

If you don't "believe" then delete this... there is no answer that will calm your doubts...

If you have the Holy Spirit... simply pray... "Lord, if there is anything here that you want me to have, then I want it... anything you don't want me to have, then keep it from me..."

See what God does for you

I believe that Todd and this Outpouring are from God... it's the Lord's doing... period.

It will NEVER be perfect... nor will the "doctrine" line up with everyone... let the Holy Spirit sort it out!!!


Stephen Strader
pastor@ignitedchurch.com
www.ignitedchurch.com

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MY FIFTH (and final) E-MAIL TO PASTOR STRADER:

Sir,

Thank you so much for all of your time. These e-mails will help give some official "equal time" to you, Ignited Church and the "Florida Outpouring" on my blog.

I very much appreciate the answers you gave when no one else seemed to want to deal with these questions. I'm sincerely praying for you.

Jon Sharp


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John Burton said...

That was an interesting conversation, and I commend Pastor Strader for going the distance he did.

I so wish that those who are opposed to what's happening in Lakeland would truly exhibit real grace.

I've never seen such a quick rebuke by those who have never even met the people in question.

It's certainly important to be as theologically tuned as possible, but do people realize that many, many people are still growing in that? It's a process.

Could God use a brand new believer to bring revival through? Sure. Would that believer know everything there is to know in scripture? No. Would it be appropriate for him to have good, seasoned counsel? Yes. Could he make mistakes? Yes. Could he misinterpret experiences? Yes. Should we give him time to sort through it all, gain counsel and redirect? Yes.

The point really is this- even those in the faith for a long time should be given the above graces!

And, so many have differing views of the non-essentials of scripture... one group speaks in tongues, another might call those who speak in tongues to be demonized!

We have to expect wild manifestations of God when his manifest presence increases in measure, when his activity ramps up.

It's Biblically normal to have encounters, to have angelic visitations, to prophesy, to have dreams and visions, to be overcome by his presence, for there to be healings, etc.

Instead of having an initial reaction of scrutiny and suspicion, we should allow our faith and zeal to flourish!

We should do the work of a Berean (which is so misunderstood these days). Bereans were called more noble because they eagerly received the word of a fresh move of God! They couldn't wait to search scripture to see how it all worked together.

So, bottom line- don't freak out if you hear something a bit strange. It's not hard to discern the spirits. If Jesus is exalted, then rejoice! If not, prayerfully watch and ask for clarity.

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Jon@TheWay said...

You said: And, so many have differing views of the non-essentials of scripture... one group speaks in tongues, another might call those who speak in tongues to be demonized!

I say: Sir, Why have you built a "tongues" straw man? This is NOT about tongues and it is NOT "non-essentials"! This is about heresy, false teaching, false prophecy, blasphemy, and plain-old dirty unbiblical visions, and lying "signs" and "wonders".
(Although, frankly, I have seen NO impressive sign or wonder, but maybe I blinked at the wrong time.

You said: We have to expect wild manifestations of God when his manifest presence increases in measure, when his activity ramps up.

I say: Hmmmmm. WILD and GOD in the same sentence. To which god are you referring?

And "when his activity ramps up"???

What is this? Ghostbusters? What exactly does that mean and where is it in the Bible? What verse states that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will "ramp up" some wild "activity" at a revival meeting... or when will He "be" more or less than the all-encompassing "I-AM"?

You said: "The point really is this- even those in the faith for a long time should be given the above graces!

I say: In which epistle does Paul teach us to be graceful to false teachers?

In which Gospel does Jesus say "Give the ravenous false prophets a break... they are growing...give them time to sort through it all."??

You say: It's Biblically normal to have encounters, to have angelic visitations, to prophesy, to have dreams and visions, to be overcome by his presence, for there to be healings, etc.

I say: that is a completely FALSE statement. It was absolutely the exception to the rule... We have 5000 years of history condensed to a 1000 page book with the relatively few "manifestations" even even more within those pages. And you think a visit from Gabriel was "normal"?

You said: We should do the work of a Berean (which is so misunderstood these days).

I say: Wow! We agree!

You said: Bereans were called more noble because they eagerly received the word of a fresh move of God! They couldn't wait to search scripture to see how it all worked together.


Act 17:11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

I say: Albert Barnes says it better than me...
"Whether those things were so - or Whether the doctrines stated by Paul and Silas were in accordance with the Scriptures. The Old Testament they received as the standard of truth, and whatever could be shown to be in accordance with that, they received."

Ummm. the "fresh move of God" the Bereans were "checking" was that Jesus Christ was the promised Messiah... not that the Holy Spirit was capping cavities with some holy dental work.

You said:So, bottom line- don't freak out if you hear something a bit strange. It's not hard to discern the spirits. If Jesus is exalted, then rejoice! If not, prayerfully watch and ask for clarity.


Hebrews 13:8-9 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.

Jim Jones "exalted Jesus" for a while... then the deceived were trapped... then they were dead.

"Wait and See" sends people to hell and you, sir, have been deceived as well. So I beg you, search the Scriptures and quit trying to sweet talk people into "pleasing men" by going easy on the heretics when Paul gave us pretty much the opposite instructions:

Galatians 1:6-10

I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

Hesed said...

Jon,

You definitely exhibited the fruit of the Spirit, self-control, as you replied/challenged Stephen Strader with the Truth.

I continue to pray for the man to see the Truth, rather than seeing the outpouring HE has yearned for and has for so many years, as his congregation dwindled and they had to sell the old property/church, and re-start at Ignited with just a few core, old church, members.

Stephen comes from a church that was split right before the last "revival" (Rodney Howard Browne) because they were allowing an extra-Biblical teaching emphasis, non-A/G supported(doctrinally) teachers in the pulpit, and this split happened as their church constitution gave the Assemblies of God little say other than coming to them and asking them, as you have, to address these issues. BTW, I'm sure the A/G is speaking with Strader, as they did with his father, in the above account.

And it was only for that short time, and rarely after, that the church was filled. The church did okay for a couple of years afterwards, but continued to struggle financially, ultimately dwindling to the point where they couldn't afford to keep the lights/system on in the main auditorium for services, and moved into the children's church room, a theatre in the renovated Carpenters Home(retirement center closed years before First Assembly bought the properties)

History repeats, and some pastors never learn.

But even with that perspective, the facts about the heretical teachings of Todd, his little or no emphasis on Jesus in his meetings (just the "anointing" and signs and wonders), and the concerns by so many should keep Bible believing people away.

But alas, as so many live in the flesh, and claim the "spirit," they will flock hither and yon to get that next "new wine" by being "under the spout, where the glory comes out," wherever someone declares it to be, by "faith" without ever considering the consequences, seemingly so deceived and consumed by their own desires to come and get something from Todd/god.

Thanks again for taking the time to try to talk some common Biblical sense into Stephen Strader. It's been tried before.

Hesed
http://LakelandRevival.blogspot.com

TMRFiles said...

Hi Jon:

I am sorry to say that I believe Pastor Strader has been caught up in the strong delusion. I have seen enough videos from this 'revival' to know that it is not of the Holy Spirit, by word or deed. The Bible does not speak of any revival in the last days until the tribulation period, when the true latter rain revival will take place, known as Joel's and Hosea's revival, and multitudes of souls will be brought to Christ. Furthermore, Todd Bentley etal cannot "impart" any spiritual gifts as he claims, as it is the Spirit Himself who is the giver of the gifts to His servants. I Corinth. 12 clearly clairfies this. "NOW concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant vs. 1 Paul writes. And in vs. 8, Paul writes, For to one is given BY THE SPIRIT the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge BY THE SAME SPIRIT; To another faith BY THE SAME SPIRIT; to another the gifts of healing BY THE SAME SPIRIT. So you see, it is the Holy Spirit who gives all gifts to his servants. I believe Todd Bentley is "imparting" "something" but it certainly is not of the Holy Spirit. His ministry is completely out of harmony with the word of God and it is more likely demonic spirits being "imparted" to those he "Bams".

Matt: 24:24 is in effect here, and people need to read their Bibles.
Toni

Jon@TheWay said...

That's right... and that's why I continue to say pray for those involved. How many of us were at one time caught up in deception, delusion, or even outright paganism. Jesus can break those bonds. Pastor Strader seems sincere... but if so, he is in bondage to an anti-christ message and understanding of a "move of God". Where is the Word, Pastor Strader? Where is the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

Jeannette said...

Pastor Strader has shown patience and graciousness in responding, but he doesn't have a clue!

From his last post you and he aren't even on the same page!
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"...If you don't "believe" then delete this... there is no answer that will calm your doubts..."

WHAT doubts??? Do you, Jon, have any doubts as to the nature of this "revival"? I would say that its essential nature is a certainty!
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"If you have the Holy Spirit... simply pray... "Lord, if there is anything here that you want me to have, then I want it... anything you don't want me to have, then keep it from me..."

See what God does for you"

Anyone who has the HOLY Spirit will be painfully aware that most of the spirits operating in Lakeland are demonic.

I started to listen to a video clip someone sent me of Todd Bentley preaching. After just a few seconds I had to shut it off - it was so spiritually hideous!

So why should anyone who has the HOLY Spirit want to ask if there is "anything here that you want me to have", knowing that the answer is a definite NO?

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"I believe that Todd and this Outpouring are from God... it's the Lord's doing... period.

It will NEVER be perfect... nor will the "doctrine" line up with everyone... let the Holy Spirit sort it out!!!" "

My concern is less the doctrine (though that is vitally important too) but the fact that the activity of unclean spirits is so evident and "in your face", yet apparently genuine men of God, such as Pastor Strader, seem totally blind to the fact.

When the Holy Spirit "sorts it out" there won't be much left!

Ezekiel 9 comes to mind

This whole thing is so terribly TRAGIC!

Indeed we must pray for those caught up in this terrible deception!

JP

Freedom2followJesusChrist said...

The problem I have with Mr. Strader's position about Todd Bentley and his mentors and their supposive "adjustments" is this...If there has been adjustments why have there not been any letters of repentance, denouncing these "adjustments' as heresy, and apologies to those they turned away from God through the false teachings and extra biblical experiences? This situation has created so much division among the members of the church body that someone needs to be accountable for that. There needs to be a public address of this and some apologies for bringing such division as a result of their unbiblical teachings and experiences past and present. Changing "Emma's" name from a teaching that used to have that name in it is not repentance, or renouncing, or apologizing to those they instructed in these very things. That is being deceitful in order to keep from being "controversial". That doesn't give us the assurance that Todd and those he hangs with they agree that this is not inline with scripture. It just shows us they are playing politics and bowing to please men not God. Seeing as how they have a very public ministry and have passed heretical teachings all over to multitudes of people past and present it is not godly character or showing us that Jesus is at work here by avoiding being transparent to the public concerning the things in question. There should be humility in public for all believers to witness. Not hiding and covering up. That is not character associated with Jesus Christ. ALSO Pastor Strader is NOT telling the truth that Todd Bentley pulled down Emma's name from his site during that period he was talking about. In fact it happened only recently within a few weeks or less. There are blogs out there that actually expose that. But there was no letter of repentance, renouncing it as heresy, or apology to the people they instructed in that heresy. Strader seems to be a very "smooth" talker in his emails. But he is being manipulative in his words. If there is good fruit it will be evident. There will be a change of heart, ie REPENTANCE...sadness over deceiving multitudes of people into damnable heresies...and that has not been publicized as of yet. Just said claims of "adjustements". If one is going to be public as a minister to a large audience then their lives and character should be transparent and public for the sake of the entire church. So this tells me there is no fear of God here at all. Just treating what is holy in a common manner. God have mercy on these men and all involved in this deception.

TMRFiles said...

Hi Jon:
I found an interesting article today from Time which concerns the Assembly of God leadership and Rick Warren's Global P.E.A.C.E.Plan you might want to look at, and how it all ties in with Todd Bentley as I see it. Here's the link:
http://filesfromtoni.blogspot.com/2008/06/rick-warren-goes-global.html#links

Trent said...

John Burton said:
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Could God use a brand new believer to bring revival through? Sure. Would that believer know everything there is to know in scripture?
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Actually, the bible says that a "novice" (or new convert) is not to be a leader. It is totally unacceptable for it to be so. I believe, at best, if Todd Bentley is actually saved, that he is a "novice". I have seen the fruit of this over and over, and he cannot be anything more than a babe in Christ, if he is "in Christ" at all. His doctrine is sooo flawed it is beyond imagining. As such, Paul says a leader must know the Word, and Todd clearly does not.

1 Timothy 3:6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

A leader is supposed to be "seasoned", not some Joe off the street that just got saved. Does that mean that a new convert can't help in a revival, or the body of Christ? No, of course not. They may even have signs and wonders gifts, and various other ones too. But they are not to teach, or lead.

Anonymous said...

I'm interested in the idea that doctrinal purity brings manifestations of the kingdom of heaven. This web site seems to be fairly certain of it's doctrinal purity, as it appears to be sitting in judgement of the doctrinal positions of other's. Can you share with us the healings, revival meetings, deliverances, even the raising of the dead that this doctrinal purity has brought about? And if there are none, why not?

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous above me: There have been no raisings from the dead.

And the ONLY raising from the dead that I am interested in is that of Jesus Christ after he died for my sins and the sins of the world. And he saved me from eternity in hell with his death and resurrection. THAT is spectacular enough that if Todd Bentley just talked about that every night - he'd have a packed house with people coming forward, repenting of sin and TRULY giving their life to Christ.

THAT would be spectacular.

livingjourney said...

the ONLY raising from the dead that I am interested in is that of Jesus Christ after he died for my sins and the sins of the world. And he saved me from eternity in hell with his death and resurrection. THAT is spectacular enough

To be saved from the second death... that is FAR more spectacular than the raising of just the body!

Caron said...

Wow! Thank you for the post!

This is on Slice:



*Crosstalk Alert* Wednesday
I recently posted a message from Justin Peters (http://www.justinpeters.org) on the Word of Faith movement and its heretical teachings. This is the movement that has produced so many false teachers, including Todd Bentley and his Lakeland "revival". ...
Slice of Laodicea - http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com

Gurt said...

JON,
Strader's right,
If you have the Holy Spirit... simply pray... "Lord, if there is anything here that you want me to have, then I want it... anything you don't want me to have, then keep it from me..."
See what God does for you....
The fact that his letters are in red and and yours are in blue appears to me that you've already made up your mind about this and won't even listen to what the spirit is telling you...
Other than that, just reading all that stuff that you've posted makes me wonder WHAT you've been studying, because your doctrine doesn't seem very sound either...sorry
Besides, isn't there anything for you to do than rant about all the things that don't agree with you?
Got girlfriend/wife? Life? It's too short to waste on petty disagreements..
In Christ,
Gurt

Jon@TheWay said...

Gurt,

What you evidently don't know is that I have already come OUT of all of the sort of charismatic chaos that has little scriptural backing, just like Todd Bentley's revival has little scriptural backing.

You said: "See what God does for you...."

???

What more could I possibly want or need God to do for me? He has done ALL for me! And I deserved NONE of it. Do you think that God has something "extra" for a select few "special Christians"?

I don't know of anything of that sort in the Bible, so please give me some references if that is what "see what God does for you" means.

You said: "The fact that his letters are in red and and yours are in blue appears to me that you've already made up your mind about this and won't even listen to what the spirit is telling you..."

I say: "What...???? I don't even know what that means! I did it to make the conversation easier to read. So I'm not sure what you are reading into my use of colored text.... ?????

The Spirit "tells me" what He tells me by leading me as I follow the written revealed Word of God.

How does He speak to you? Then when you "hear", how do you prove that it was the Holy Spirit speaking and not your wicked heart or last nights pizza?

I have the Bible to measure all things by... (II Timothy 3:16-17)what do you use?... your feelings?... or your feelings PLUS the Bible? Either way, you will come up with error because your feelings lie. (Jeremiah 17:9)

If you use the Bible alone, please back up scripturally the process of asking the Lord "anything here that you want me to have, then I want it... anything you don't want me to have, then keep it from me."

You also wrote: "Other than that, just reading all that stuff that you've posted makes me wonder WHAT you've been studying, because your doctrine doesn't seem very sound either...sorry"

I say: If there is any unbiblical doctrine here PLEASE tell me where and how it is unscriptural... I certainly don't want to lead my readers astray from the Bible. Please tell me exactly which doctrine I have posted that is unsound so I can double check it with the Bible! I will await your reply.

You wrote: "Besides, isn't there anything for you to do than rant about all the things that don't agree with you? Got girlfriend/wife? Life? It's too short to waste on petty disagreements."

Petty disagreements? Do you actually believe that when a "minister" puts Jesus in second place behind an Angel or "the supernatural" that it is petty?

Do you believe that when a "minister" claims to gain secret knowledge of the spirit realm through visitations by dead saints that it is petty?

Do you believe that when a "minister" relys on the angelic hosts instead of Jesus Christ alone for mercy, healing, victory, revelation, etc. that it is petty?

I'm concerned that you are one of those deceived by this false "outpouring" seeking after cheap "signs & wonders" (Matthew 16:4) rather than relying on the Word of God alone for testing these things and relying on the Word, Jesus to be your "all in all".

I hope I'm wrong but your comment shows it fairly plainly.

Seek the Truth in your Bible rather than in your feelings and in the "excitement" of this false revival.

(Please get back to me on specifically where my doctrine is unsound... it is of the greatest importance to me.)

Jon

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Anonymous said...

Just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to post the truth about this false revival. Although it's been years ago....I remember warning my pastor about going to the meetings and she paid no attention......it was all about the manifestations.....no repentance and hardly a mention of the name of Jesus. Thank you for standing for the truth...I would be interested in knowing if the AoG ever came out against this false revival or against Todd Bentley.
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