Monday, May 19, 2008

Todd Bentley: Do we have anything to worry about?

You tell me. Todd Bentley has literally changed his story! The question is, what makes a minister feel he must remove information that he had previously said was vital to revival coming to the "Florida Outpouring"? Where did Emma go and why did she all of a sudden become so "particular"? Take a look at...

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...this article over at Slice of Laodicea about Todd Bentley's angelic visitation by an "angel" named Emma:
http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/?p=718

The same story about the "angel" named "Emma" is contained here... plus a lot more interesting information:
http://documents.scribd.com/docs/247to5o9nxze25ql1kt8.pdf

These articles are based on an article Todd Bentley wrote. It is posted here:
(go way down to part 3 - paragraph 15)
http://www.etpv.org/2003/angho.html

NOW, after reading all about the angel "Emma" (written by Todd himself) look how Todd Bentley has NOW CHANGED his "angelic visitation" story on his ministry website to be somewhat less controversial by removing all references to "Emma":
http://www.freshfire.ca/index.php?Act=read&status=teaching&Id=40&pid=954 (paragraph 2)

Why do you suppose he would so drastically change his story?... Does he now feel compelled to hide the name of "Emma" and if so, why?

Whaddaya think?... Do we possibly have something to worry about concerning the origins of Todd Bentley's spirituality?

You be the judge. (1Cor. 5:11-12 -But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler--not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?)

Also please visit this article about Todd Bentley:
http://blog.thewaycf.com/2008/05/whats-being-served-at-todd-bentleys.html

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32 comments:

TMRFiles said...

Another very strange manifestation has occurred involving Todd Bentley and his Lakeland "healing revival " in Lakeland, Florida.

When I reported here this story on May 7, (False Healing Revival in Lakeland) quoted in part following, I linked to Bentley's website where the story continued, exposing his involvment in mysticism.

THE GLORY CLOUD OF REVELATION & PROPHETIC MANTLES - PART 2: CONCLUSIONDate: June 19, 2006This is the conclusion of a two-part series by Revivalist and Founder of Fresh Fire Ministries, Todd Bentley, entitled, The Glory Cloud of Revelation & Prophetic Mantles. In a vision, Todd saw the Glory Cloud of Revelation—the cloud of Isaiah 11:1, 2, and Revelation 4:5 come upon the Church body—that is, the cloud that is the fullness of the Holy Spirit, the seven Spirits of God. The Lord also showed Todd in the vision, an old Punjabi sadhu (holy man), by the name of Sundar Singh, who lived in India and evangelized throughout the world over a hundred years ago. CONTINUED NOTE TO ALL MY READERS: I have today, May 15, 2008, observed that "The Glory Cloud of Revelation" by Todd Bentley from his link and website that I provided that exposes Todd Bentley's involvement in mysticism has been removed.

but the link as of May 15 has suddenly and mysteriously disappeared. Could it be that Bentley is now trying to hide the fact that he is involved in mysticism and contemplative prayer, which goes directly against Biblical teachings since more and more people are getting wind of this fraud?

Toni

Deborah said...

>> 1Cor. 5:11-12 -But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler--not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?)

Indeed and we can add Paul Cain and Bob Jones to the category of sexual immorality. And Todd Bently stood infront of thousands recently and let Paul Cain lie to everyone when he said that he has been celibate his whole life - hence you can 'trust' him. How so? When he admitted he was a homosexual not so long ago and was 'ushered' into 'restoration' by Rick Joyner - another false prophet.

I read something funny last night by someone, I forget who. It said, "Paul Cain going under "restoration" through Rick Joyner is like Richard Nixon receiving
counseling from Bill Clinton. Both Paul Cain and Rick Joyner are both false prophets."

It's like the blind leading the blind.

TMRFiles said...

Good catch! I have posted your site link on my site with the hopes that more and more people will have their eyes opened to this false teacher/false prophet/fraud.

Toni

Anonymous said...

Is this the crazy preacher type who looks like a pro wrestler with Yakuza tats or did "Tokin' the Ghost -- Yoing Yoing Yoing!" trim his beard? (They all start to look and sound alike after a while...)

P.S. Wasn't "Emma" his Guardian Angel/Spirit Guide/whatever?

Deborah said...

Hi Anonynous,

Yip you are spot on. WWE star to be Todd Bently receive his Tats and Piercings AFTER he got saved.

Hmmmm...It appears he ignored the Holy Spirit on this issue (that's if the Holy Spirit was ever there in the first place) and chose to listen to the 'demonic spirits' of his past. Reason? Oh, cos if you look more worldly he will attract more of the 'world' to his revials and get them 'saved'. I beg to differ, for we are in this world, not of this world.

But alas that is just a teeny weeny part of his belief/doctine that is completely contrary to the Word of God. And people fall for it hook, line and sinker.

I've always said, a truly Born Again Christian does not need to be revived through a 'Revival' and secondly a truly Born Again Christain does not need 'signs and woneders' to know that Jesus IS who He says He is. We just know and believe, for the Holy Spirit brings us into ALL rememberance and understanding :)

God Bless

Anonymous said...

"Todd Bentley: Do we have anything to worry about?"
um, Nope.
xoxo

Deborah said...

Deborah said...
Hi Toni

Thanks, you can add this one as well which I posted like 10 minutes ago :)

http://discerningtheworld.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/marjoe-gortner-vs-todd-bentley-brings-new-meaning-to-the-word-revival/

livingjourney said...

You can still find THE GLORY CLOUD OF REVELATION & PROPHETIC MANTLES - PART 2 on the Bentley site... the link has moved.

By the way thanks for coming to my blog and posting... the more people who post about this the better.

TMRFiles said...

Hi Deborah:

Consider it done like a couple of hours ago.

Toni

Stephen said...

The Desired Effect.

I find all of this very sad.
I am a born again Christian, and do I have anything to worry about this? No, not in the least. One thing I DO know, is that my Lord Jesus Christ as made a fool of all of these matters at the Cross where he died for me and for my sin. He defeated Satan, and there really was NOT any contest for Jesus Christ is Lord of all! He cried: 'It is finished!'
So the 'desired effect' of all that goes on against us, the Word of God, and the His church, is for the powers of darkness to discourage us and somehow convince us that we are powerless. Much to the contrary, our God is a God who keeps His promises. He is a good God, a loving God, a jealous God, a judging God, and a loving God. With Him there is 'No Shadow of Turning', in other words, God does NOT change His mind about sin! If one rejects the very provision of salvation from God, they are lost. How dare anyone deceive another in the name of Jesus Christ, convincing people that they can better themselves and that THAT is what they are supposed to strive for! Suffering is not a sin and God does NOT promise that we should be without suffering. In fact, if we are called christians, we share in our Lord Jesus Christ's suffering, whatever suffering is ours! If we are called christians, we do not live for ourselves, but we live for Him. We are co-crucified, co-buried, and co-resurrected with Jesus Christ. All of the benefits that we have in Christ are not deserved by us at ANY stage, but they are given to us because we believed in Him, and it is God who started the good work in you!
This comment from someone who is weary as ever about these kinds of movements i.e. Florida 'Revival' and Latter Rain, and such like. I have a brother who is getting led by this more and more, and needs a lot of prayer! (The heavy artillery of the christian)
Stephen

Hung said...

Hey y’all,

Yeah ... okay ... so that Emma stuff sounds weird to me ...

But, why not take a Jack Hayford approach to this?

Jack wrote:
“We want to be available to His Spirit,
instructed by His Word, open to His will,
and humbly slow to pass
judgment on things that are outside our purview.”

Jack wrote:
“We ask the Spirit to give us humility in
discernment and to guard our souls from being either gullible,
doubt-prone, or resistant to whatever God may seek to do that proves
Christ-exalting, Word-verifying, and enduring beyond sensation or mere
excitement. With time, whatever is taking place in Lakeland and
through activities issuing from its happenings will either verify or
discredit the source of the manifestations.”

http://www.foursquare.org/articles/601,1.html

Seems like a reasonable approach, eh?

cheers!
Hung

Jon@TheWay said...

How can you justify that method in scripture... that is a TOTALLY unbiblical way of "testing all things"

Jack Hayford said we should be "slow to pass
judgment on things that are outside our purview" (our range of vision, insight, or understanding)

Our only true vision, insight, and understanding is the scripture and it is ALL that we need... (II Tim 3:16-17 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be COMPLETE, thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work.!

Nowhere in the bible does it say "Let whatever happens in the church happen and don't question it for awhile because even though it is not biblical it just might turn out to be of God."

Rather it says that we must test all things. Does Todd's stuff "cut straight" and fit with the Word of God? NO, and FAR FROM IT! (II Timothy 2:15)

Those in Berea searched the Scriptures daily, to see if what they were hearing was true to God's Word (Acts 17:11).

John and Peter both warned of false teachers. Jesus said they will come in sheep's clothing (Matt. 7:15; 1 Jno. 4:1; 2 Pet. 2:1) but that they are simply Christiany-looking wolves who devour sheep.

John said that it's our duty is to "test the spirits". (I John 4:1)

Paul said: "Test everything. Hold on to that which is good." (1 Thess. 5:21).

There is ONLY ONE place that we can go to KNOW if something is a move of God... Our SoF says the Bible is our supreme, final and ONLY authority in all matters of life, faith and practice.
(2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:21)

All that we believe, teach and practice must be distilled from the Written Inspired Word of God and nothing should be accepted as true; nothing should be practiced or recommended – unless it is explicitly taught in the Word of God.

II Timothy 4:2-5 ...Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth (THE WORD OF GOD), and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things...

1Cor. 5:11-12 -But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler--not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?

We already have the Word of God to help us discern that Todd Bentley is a false prophet and a heretic.

Testing this revival by time only sends people to deception and ultimately, hell.

We don't have any time. They are going to hell NOW.

Hung said...

Hi Jon,

Here's J. Lee Grady's point of view ...

http://charismamag.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2435

Honestly, the "Emma" stuff bothers
me quite a lot. Sounds very very suspect.

However, from what I've been hearing,
people are coming to faith in Jesus Christ
through the Lakeland Revival.
If people are truly coming to faith,
then aren't they going to the opposite
place as hell? Instead of "going to hell NOW"?

I think that when we get to heaven,
we'll in some cases be surprised
by who is there, and who isn't ...
Maybe some people ... perhaps
Bentley, may be in heaven to your
surpise? Or maybe not? I dunno ...
not my call :-)

I'll sit back on this one, and see
what the fruit looks like with time.
But yeah, the "Emma" stuff gives me
the chills. But I do leave the
possibility open that God uses
people who haven't got it all together.
I could name some names ... but ...

cheers,
Hung

Anonymous said...

If Todd Bentley is a fake, what do you do with the 13 people that have been raised from the dead and countless others who now see, hear and walk.
Didn't Jesus say to His disciples that if someone heals in His name then (that person) is with us not against us.
Also, Jesus said that Satan will not drive out demons from people because that will destroy him.

Jon@TheWay said...

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? And in Thy Name have cast out devils? And in Thy Name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:21-23 KJV)

bndslavenchrist said...

I have personally known a number of christians from various countries in Africa as well as Nepal and other countries. They have told me of the lying sugns and wonders of so-called medicine men and witch-doctors and shamen.

To say that practioners of false religious, even occult origins cannot perform healings, miracles, and other signs and wonders would be to say that the Bible lies. Just read the account of Moses demanding Pharoah to let the Israelites go and it confirms that there are real occult powers that can and DO signs.

Jesus as well told us that during the end times, there would be those who will do whatever they can to deceive the very elect of God.

Will the elect of God be deceived by someone claiming to be Jesus? Will the elect of God even listen to someone claiming to be a satanist, a witch, or some other false belief?

NOT!

The warning only becomes necessary IF among the TRUE believers, there arise those who claim to be followers of Christ but in reality follow another who is ANTI-CHRIST. (that does not mean THE anti-christ, but someone who is not Jesus Christ)

If any reading these words does not know there are REAL witches and warlocks, real practioners of some form of occultic belief that has REAL power that actually can perform "magic," heal, or even send curses, then once more, that person does not believe the Bible.


Mat 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation (affliction, distress, and oppression) such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now--no, and never will be [again]. [Dan. 12:1; Joel 2:2.]
Mat 24:22 And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would endure and survive, but for the sake of the elect (God's chosen ones) those days will be shortened.
Mat 24:23 If anyone says to you then, Behold, here is the Christ (the Messiah)! or, There He is!--do not believe it.
Mat 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God's chosen ones).
Mat 24:25 See, I have warned you beforehand.
Mat 24:26 So if they say to you, Behold, He is in the wilderness (desert)--do not go out there; if they tell you, Behold, He is in the secret places or inner rooms--do not believe it.


Jesus said and believed that there would be those who actually perform great signs and wonders IN ORDER TO DECEIVE THE VERY ELECT OF GOD!

So why won't we believe Jesus?

Brothers and Sisters, this same deception has been upon this world since Adam and Eve. Only now, all of the demonic hoardes are actively attempting to do whatever they can to deceive the people of God.

If we do NOT LOVE THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH of the Bible, THEN GOD HIMSELF will send us a STRONG DELUSION to actually make us believe in the lie!

{2Th 2:9 The coming [of the lawless one, the antichrist] is through the activity and working of Satan and will be attended by great power and with all sorts of [pretended] miracles and signs and delusive marvels--[all of them] lying wonders--
2Th 2:10 And by unlimited seduction to evil and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing (going to perdition) because they did not welcome the Truth but refused to love it that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false,
2Th 2:12 In order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe in [who refused to adhere to, trust in, and rely on] the Truth, but [instead] took pleasure in unrighteousness}

Now we can either believe what man has told us; men like Todd Bentley, Paul Cain, and others who have said and done things contrary to the Scriptures and God's ways, or we can believe the Bible.

The choice is ours. IF we choose to believe men, then we have already chosen NOT to believe in THE TRUTH and we may find ourselves as a recipient of this strong delusion from God and also end up being judged and condemned.

That is what the Bible says, despite all the things told to us that are contrary to this by those who preach this other gospel.

Who are you going to trust, man or God?

a bondslave in Christ Jesus, Dirk

Anonymous said...

I believe Todd does signs and wonders. One of my friends went to his meeting and he prayed for a lady and a tumor fell off of her. I also believe he sees and communicates with angels. Does that make him a true prophet?

Back in the 90s when the Toronto blessing was happening and we attended the Vineyard church, my sons saw angels all the time. 1John4 says test the spirits whether they be of God and that if a spirit is of God it will confess that Jesus has come in the flesh.

So this is what we did: we said "in Jesus name I command you to tell me did Jesus come in the flesh?" to every angel we saw. And everytime it would tell the story of how Jesus would come in the flesh to earth, and die and be raised up after 3 days, and was now seated at the right hand of the Father.

Until, one day, we asked an angel and it shrunk and morphed into a little green demon! Lesson learned: not all angels/spirits are of God!!! This could explain why christians like Todd Bentley are going off the rails....

Matthew 24 says about false prophets that the elect would be deceived if such a thing were possible. Matthew 7 says that there would be false prophets in sheep's clothing (ie they will look like sheep) and that we would know they by their fruits. Come on you guys! Look at the fruit!!!

Ivy
Clinging to the Vine

shatteredmen said...

Didn't Jesus say to His disciples that if someone heals in His name then (that person) is with us not against us.
Also, Jesus said that Satan will not drive out demons from people because that will destroy him.

This is an example of taking scripture out of context. We are told to expose false teachers.

I also want to correct that last statement. Jesus did NOT say satan will not drive out demons because he does.

Matthew 12:26
And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Newflash...satans kingdom will NOT stand!

Some others have quoted Matt 7:22

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name"
done many wonderful works? "

I am sure this means healing the sick and even raising some from the dead..but it is NOT GOD doing it! If it is not God, who is?

We sure know that satan does not mind God getting the credit for something he does...IF it will cause a false sense of safty as we see in Matt 7. They counted on their works, not the redeeming blood of the LAMB for their salvation.

shatteredmen said...

How to have a revival

I can not tell you how much I WANT to see a revival in our land. I can not however accept just any "manifestation" of God as a revival. We CAN NOT have a revival based upon a dog and pony show. We need a SAVIOUR....not a genie!

What would a real revival consist of? I contend it will consist of a full and only focus on JESUS CHRIST. It will be more like what we saw from Billy Sunday, DL Moody and others who preached SIN and the only remedy for sin...THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHIRST!

I am fully convinced that a revival will consist of following
2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land

It will spread to the LOST and I have not seen this in Lakeland.

It will consist of songs like...there is a fountain filled with BLOOD drawn from Immanuel's veins. Redeeming Love and grace will be the theme....the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ when one turns to HIM for forgiveness of their sin WITHOUT expecting anything but salvation in return. It will focus on the facts of the gospel and not the thrill of the feel.

It will be based only upon the Word of the Living God and not a message from an angel...any angel. It will be spontaneous and not planned. And it will only happen when each of US and mostly myself want it so much that we will follow HIS command and really obey the verse I gave above.

Do we want a revival that much.....or should I ask...do "I" want one that bad?

Jon@TheWay said...

Good post, ShatteredMen. Revival is about REPENTANCE and SALVATION alone.

God may heal. But that's not revival.

God may do miracles. But that's not revival.

When the Gospel of Jesus Christ is preached, and when the bible is taught, and when men fall on their faces in sorrow for their sin, and when they are born again to a new life in Christ... then revival has taken place.

Until then it is what Bob Jones prophecied at Todd Bentley's "revival"... a "three-ring circus".

Pray for Todd Bentley. And pray for the thousands who are settling for an "outpouring" when they could have Life, Liberty and a true relationship with Jesus Christ.

shatteredmen said...

Thank you Jon.

What bothers me most about this Lakeland is the dog and pony show that is going on and that is NOT my LORD! Without faith, it is impossible to please God. These people are looking for signs and wonders and we know satan can give them just that along with the prosperity they are told that God wants them to have..but at what cost? I fear that it will be at the cost of their soul when they realize that the god they asked for all these things is the god of this world, not the LIVING GOD of the Bible.

I work in a ministry for those who have been abused. Many have felt rejected all of their life and many have been to things much like Lakeland and have come away scarred and leary of anything "religious" Many have told me that God can not forgive them and a few dozen had been within momements of suicide. But then....JESUS!

These are the signs and wonders GOD is speaking of...the wonder of a soul redeemed by the Blood of the LAMB. Almost everyone of these that felt that God could not love them instantly declared...GOD does love me...HE has forgiven me the moment they accepted Christ.

People need a Saviour...NOT a genie!

I checked Todd's website. I could not find a clear message of salvation that is easily found. The Shattered Men website has a link to it on every one of our pages. We get over 400 "hits" a month on it and I do pray that many are trusting the LORD from it. My only desire is to help those who are hurting to find the peace and joy that ONLY Jesus can give them.

http://www.shatterdmen.com/first_step.htm

Creativei said...

There are several reasons why this “revival” can not be God. Todd Bentley admits that he has an angel named Emma who appears as a beautiful woman who wears a dress like Katherine Kuhlman and floats off the ground when she walks. In fact he also claims to have the angel of William Branham and John G. Lake.

He regularly talks about seeing angels, and having them talk to him, minister to him and even perform surgery on him.
Although angels are biblical and without question do exist, there is NO BIBLICAL PRECIDENT for this type of interaction with them. There is also no biblical precedent for female angels. Although, angels are neither male nor female, they without exception appear as men in every biblical example. In every scriptural case of a human having contact with an angel the angel always says, “Fear Not”. There was a reason for this- in our mortal bodies seeing an angel would terrify the very bravest among us. The solders who were guarding the tomb of Jesus fainted when they saw the angel. However Todd Bentley and others like him would have us believe that angels appear to them daily and engage them in normal everyday conversation.
May I submit to you that Todd Bentley is not conversing with a HOLY angel but rather a demon, spirit of deception, or spirit guide? Interestingly enough, EMMA O is another name for Satan and is mentioned in the Satanic Bible. I am sure this fact is not lost on those who have come out of the occult.
“Do not let anyone disqualify you by making you humiliate yourself and worship angels. Such people enter into visions, which fill them with foolish pride because of their human way of thinking. They do not hold tightly to Christ, the head. It is from him that all the parts of the body are cared for and held together. So it grows in the way God wants it to grow.” -- Colossians 2:18-19, NCV.
BUT... BUT you are saying..wait.. What about the healing..What about all the good stuff? Let me tell you something. If you were thirsty and I brought you a pitcher of cool clean water, placed it on the table, brought a tall glass with ice, and asked you to drink some - you would. Now if I took the same pitcher and added just one small drop of arsenic- would you still drink it? Why NOT???? 99.99999 is water and that’s good right?? Yeah you say but it is that one drop that would kill me! Yeah – my point precisely. If you study scripture you will see that God is not too thrilled with a “mixture” in fact He hates it. I know you are still not convinced - I mean after all what about the great signs and wonders??
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." (Matthew 24:24)
Remember the magicians were able to replicate almost every miracle that Moses performed before Pharaoh Think about it.

Mishel http://deceptionbytes.com

Nichole Adams said...

My latest blog entry addresses the latest edits that have come to light on Todd Bentley's site... thought you might be interested. I only noticed these latest ones because someone pointed out that they couldn't find a paragraph on his site that we had cited on the blog when addressing his heresies.

http://blog.trentonadams.ca/2008/06/04/freshfireca-edits-website-to-hide-the-truth/

--Nichole

Nora said...

to the person who wrote this article... as of today June 5th that teaching is still on Todds web site under resources... writings.. Todds. scrool down to see all his teacings and you will see June 19 2006 teaching there. I pray that all will seek truth from the holy spirit for themselves before taking any mans word. and I mean any man. We are human, we are not perfect..Only one who was the word that became flesh was perfect.. but he will use us if we are willing and obedient. He meets us where we are, and we are forever chaning into his image. Praise you Lord for your Grace and mercy.

Jon@TheWay said...

Nora,

I never said that information was removed, a commenter (tmrfiles)did. And then another commenter (livingjourney) corrected that information on this same page.

Tmrfiles was correct, however. Todd's link had CHANGED effectively moving the article, but he did not REMOVE the article.


livingjourney said...
You can still find THE GLORY CLOUD OF REVELATION & PROPHETIC MANTLES - PART 2 on the Bentley site... the link has moved.


The article I wrote is about Todd removing the "angel" Emma from his Angelic Hosts teaching. And you will NOT find it on his site anymore.

So on this topic, this blog has posted no incorrect information and if we ever do we will be happy to apologize and correct it.

And don't take my word for it... check out all of the facts about Todd Bentley and compare them to your bible.

Jon

Anonymous said...

Would Todd pee his pants if he realised that he was consorting with demons? Would those people who flock to the false signs and wonders that make up the audience, be filled with terror, if they understood that these angels of light were deceiving them? They want to harm humans, they do not have our best at heart. Of course they will use trickery, why not?

I listened to a wonderful talk by a very intelligent woman called Caryl Matriciano, as she described to Jan Markel some facts on evil angels and good angels, I was amazed!. She said in the interview at olivetreeviews.org in radio archives, that good angels only listen to God and do his bidding. So, they answer to Jesus and the Father and Spirit only and do what God has asked them or commanded them to do. That info is derived through basic analysis of the whole of scripture. Seh goes on to say that the fallen angels, however, thorugh various occult means can be contacted, though forbidden avenues forwarned of in God's holy Word, and when they are reached they are willing to do the bidding of humans- for a while.(For a purpose- to deceive.) That is why God says in Duet. and Isaiah and Revelation and so on, to be careful. We must not practice witch craft and a list of other occult contact means because we run the risk of supernatural Satanic counterfeit of the real thing, but simply put: deception.

She re-emphesized about 5 times that good angels do the bidding of their master, God Almighty with obediance, but that the fallen angels do the bidding of their master, THE Rebel, Lucifer/Satan. He seeks to keep man enshired in darkness, entertained into ignorance and most importantly of all: to keep man away from the cross, the only place the Adamic curse can be reversed; where man can be re-born and changed into a new creation, alive to God. The victory of eternity and salvation is won only through Jesus on the cross , his sacrafice. Repentance and trust and coming clean with God and being reborn through the last Adam, Jesus. Romans 5 and 1 Coringthians 15 talk about this. Churhes usually don't explain it this way, but that is what makes sense in total and how my bible reads. That is the whole reason that Nicodemus and Jesus have thier famous talk in John 4. Jesus said you must be reborn spiritually and the leader of the Jews did not understand and thought Jesus was saying physical rebirth. So he asked how rebirth is even possible and Jesus answers him that it is with the Holy Spirit; Spiritual rebirth leads to resurrection, spiritually first (then Paul tells us that latter we who are IN Christ, will be physically resurrected.) Romans tells us that we are being conformed to God's mind, which is in a sense like mentally being resurrected in our thought life as we study God's word and see what God thinks about life. The total resurrection, but it starts with the spirit first!The we are sanctified and our mind is resurrected as I said, ( in a sense)The one day, we will be physically raised to life. But we have to come not from the first Adam, but the second Adam, the life giving spirit, Jesus, God in human flesh, the do over, the human representative of the new creation of "faith". Alive IN Christ, literally and seated with him in heavenly places.Scollars talk about the process of salvation: The have been saved, am being saved and will ultimately be saved state that is characterized as the "Christian walk." That is what should be preached by Todd and friends, not angels and glitter.

These so called revivals are not about soley teaching sinners their is favor in the Son and his sacrafice. They are about playing around with spirits who have some power to captivate. This is so dangerous, b/c it seems like it is godly happenings, but in reality, it is falsehood that never gets to the point of the cross and repentatnce. So very dangerous to play around in the spiritual realm and that is why we are warned. 1 John warns us to test the spirits because it is not always so easy to tell what you are dealing with.

I find it sickening that a pastor or a group of pastors would lead their followers into such dangerous ground. Deception abounds adn we were warned, but some Christians and others want to see signs and wonders so badly, they don't even think that the source could be evil. They think that because it seems like the work of the Holy Spirit it must be, but that is why we have God's word on it and we are to test what is being said, and what the fruit is. As far as I can tell, I see Jesus being used on the surface as a prop to bring in $, but pushed aside for angels and the super natural to keep interest. Jesus said that only a wicked generation seeks after a sign, but that only one sign would be given and that was the cross and the resurrection. So, why aren't those two issues being hyper focused on? Answer: False prophets with familar spirits are running this thing, Not Jesus. The focus should be on the life giving power of the cross and Christ's blood. The life is in the blood, his blood. Who cares about this angel and that? Who cares about gold dust? Only eterity matters! That is what God's word says. And if a Christian does have God do some miracle or wonder through them, then that is to glorify the Father, edify the born again beleiver(s) or to draw an unbeleiver to the cross. It is not about making a pastor a name for himself, creating a show, or making money. It is definatly not about boosting the knowledge of angels for their sake! Somehow Jesus and what he accomplished have taken a back seat in this silliness. Thank God for good preachers that see the value in truth and the Bible!

False prophets will abound we are told! 1 Peter is like a sister book to that of Jude. REad them both! Simply put, read God's word to discern truth! He speaks of the latter times, and makes mention of how people will talk foolishly about angels with out true knowledge and strut like a peacock and head to their own destruction. This is the famous verse clouded with some mystery about how not even Michael the Arch Angel (in comparison to foolish humans,) would not even argue with Satan over the body of Moses, but instead said,:"The Lord rebuke you." The book of Jude is all about false prophets and the darkness hell reserved for them that was prepared in advance. We must pray that if it were possible, these false men repent and return to the saving Savor and his solid message, b/f it's too late. God Bless. Go check out the Caryl interview with a link to her own site with lots of good info and video's and solid stuff to help discern it all. olivetreeviews.org or sliceoflaodicea.com has a radio link to crosstalk with Ingrid S, which is very good and solid.
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lastly, while I beleive that God can and with his purposes may occasionally raise the dead even in this day and age, though rare, I do not beleive that Todd has the power to do that! He should tell people that people could be raised to new life spiritually and then eventually physically and that is God's promise to everyone in Jesus!

Anonymous said...

It is truly a sad day in the life of a born-again child of God, that we have actually forgotten about the word 'discernment'! What does your 'spirit' witness...a check or excitement? We all love revival but not at ANY cost!! His GRACE is sufficient for me, I don't need all the signs and hype!!

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Chuck Hilton said...

Thanks for marking the man as the word says to do. I believe the situation is worse than it appears. Todd has gotten tattoos with in the past two years and they, along with his New Age doctrines, worship of angels make it plain that Todd has taken a walk on the occult side.

HAving studied the occult and those involved, one notices certain nuances. Look at Todds countenence, his eyes in videos from two year ago and compare with his eyes and countenence at present.

I have seen this over and over and its inescapable. I can't help but see it.

Chuck Hilton

Ron Adair said...

Charismatics who have any theological insight need to tar and feather Todd Bentley. Those unwashed masses who have been bequiled by him won't listen to non charismatics criticizing him.

Anonymous said...

I have left the charismatic church due to this whole thing. Thank goodness the bible is clear on what we should do in situations like this.. wherever there is a speck of teaching outside the bible people should run and run fast. it was a big eye opener and I am so glad i am out of it!

Anonymous said...

"Whosoever goeth onward and abideth not in the teaching of Christ, hath not God: he that abideth in the teaching, the same hath both the Father and the Son.
If any one cometh unto you, and bringeth not this teaching, receive him not into `your' house, and give him no greeting:
for he that giveth him greeting partaketh in his evil works."

II. JOHN 1.





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