Sunday, June 8, 2008

AUDIO: God or Baal? "Fire, Fire! Angels, Angels, Angels, Angels, Angels, Angels, Angels"

Maybe I've been wrong.

Maybe it was wrong to imply that Todd Bentley said that he should put Jesus aside to preach angels and the supernatural?

Perhaps I should just relax and concern myself with other things even though Todd Bentley pukes out false prophecy, after false teaching, after blasphemy, after heresy, ad nauseum?

I suppose I don't need to worry so much for the tens of thousands of souls following this deception to the point of disregard for God's written revealed Word.

Maybe it's not so bad to chant over and over "ANGELS! ANGELS! ANGELS! ANGELS! etc. etc...."

I want you to notice something. In the above clip heretic Todd Bentley WORSHIPS ANGELS by...
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...attributing FIVE things to angels that they don't deserve or want!

1. Glory ("angels of glory...")
2. Help ("I need heaven's angel's help!)
3. Victory/Protection (I need warring angels)
4. Healing (I need angels of healing!)
5. Revelation (I need angels of revelation)

This is a demonic ploy to take our reliance for ALL things FROM JESUS and to rely on the "angelic hosts" to come be and do what we need!

We only receive healing and victory through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.
We only receive help and revelation by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
And ALL "glory", belongs to Jesus Christ!

Kent Philpott writes: The apostle John said, "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work." (1 John 3:8) Jesus has defeated Satan and his legions. Also, as we resist the devil, he flees from us. (James 4:7) And, perhaps, of greatest importance, we are seated with Christ in the heavenly realms. (Ephesians 2:6) What need is there for an angel, even a well-known one like Michael? No, Jesus, the King of kings and Lord of lords, is enough.

Never mind the 7000 people who are emotionally led by the driving beat of the music to moan and chant repetitiously to their God (god?)calling on him to "send down fire!" According to many, this is OBVIOUSLY of God! What do you think?...

Now think back on Elijah and the "prophets" of Baal...

I Kings 18:21 And Elijah came to all the people, and said, “How long will you falter between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him.” But the people answered him not a word.
I Kings 18:24 call on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD; and the God who answers by fire, He is God.”
So all the people answered and said, “It is well spoken.”

I Kings 18:26 So they took the bull which was given them, and they prepared it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even till noon, saying, “O Baal, hear us!” But there was no voice; no one answered. Then they leaped about the altar which they had made.

I Kings 18:27 And so it was, at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said, “Cry aloud, for he is a god; either he is meditating, or he is busy, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is sleeping and must be awakened.”
I Kings 18:28 So they cried aloud, and cut themselves, as was their custom, with knives and lances, until the blood gushed out on them.
I Kings 18:29 And when midday was past, they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice. But there was no voice; no one answered, no one paid attention.

I Kings 18:30,32 Then Elijah ...built an altar in the name of the LORD; and he made a trench around the altar large enough to hold two seahs of seed.
I Kings 18:33,35 And he put the wood in order, cut the bull in pieces, and laid it on the wood, and said, “Fill four waterpots with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice and on the wood (3 times).” So the water ran all around the altar; and he also filled the trench with water.

I Kings 18:36 And it came to pass, at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near and said, (WITHOUT CHANTING, SCREAMING, VIBRATING, GOING INTO A TRANCE, etc... just a simple prayer)“LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, let it be known this day that You are God in Israel and I am Your servant, and that I have done all these things at Your word.
I Kings 18:37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that You are the LORD God, and that You have turned their hearts back to You again.” (REPENTANCE)

I Kings 18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood and the stones and the dust, and it licked up the water that was in the trench.
I Kings 18:39 Now when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces; and they said, “The LORD, He is God! The LORD, He is God!” (REPENTANCE, FAITH)

QUESTION: Is Todd Bentley a prophet speaking the Words of the One, True God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? He sure calls down the "fire" alot... but where is it? Non-existent fire comes from an non-existent god.

Elijah's fire was real... it was sent by God, He received the sacrifice of the people and the fire of Elijah's God caused people to fall on their faces in repentance and faith.

Psalm 121:1-8 says
I will lift up my eyes to the mountains;
From where shall my help come?

My help comes from the LORD,
Who made heaven and earth.

He will not allow your foot to slip;
He who keeps you will not slumber.

Behold, He who keeps Israel
Will neither slumber nor sleep.

The LORD is your keeper;
The LORD is your shade on your right hand.

The sun will not smite you by day,
Nor the moon by night.

The LORD will protect you from all evil;
He will keep your soul.

The LORD will guard your going out and your coming in
From this time forth and forever.

Todd's god isn't answering his prayers for "fire", and "miracles" and "more" so he's requsting "angels" screaming at his god, hoping he'll wake up and do something. Is Todd's god asleep?

But the God of the Bible is "He who keeps Israel" and "will neither slumber nor sleep..."

Looks like it's Todd who needs to wake up... not God!

Call Down the Fire! Call Down the Fire!
Call Down the Fire! Call Down the Fire!

Pray for worldwide revival!
Come on- Give me two minutes! two minutes!

Pray for worldwide revival!
Come on- Pray for this anonting to go to the ends of the earth!
I want you to pray for more. I want you to pray fo... say "God pour it out!"

Pray with me! Stand with me! Stand with me!
In your homes... pray right before your televisions!
Kneel down. Kneel down in front of your computers.
I'm asking you to pray!

Give me two minutes and pray for the fire to fall!

Pray for worldwide outpouring!
Pray for the dead to be raised!
Pray for another level of miracles!

You hear them God?
You hear them God?
We want more!

You hear them God?
You hear them God?
We want miracles!

You hear them God?
You hear them God?
We want revival!

You hear them God?
You hear them God?
We want the dead raised!

Come on! Lift up your voice! Pray with me for worldwide revival!
Pray for signs and wonders! Pray for the dead to be raised!

I need you to pray! My God! Don't let it stop!
Don't let it stop! Let it go all over the world!

Let the fire fall! Let the glory fall!

Come on! Pray like you really want it! Pray like you really want it!

I'm commissioning the intercessors!
Lift up your voice! Come on, watchnmen!
Pray for the move of God in Lakeland!
Pray for Fresh Fire Ministries! Pray for GODtv!
Pray for Todd Bentley!
Pray for Heather Clark. Pray for Roy Fields!
Pray for my team! Pray for my staff!
Pray for the outpouring!

Come on, now's the time to be focused in, not leaving!
Now's the time to be focused in and praying for what you want!
Come on! Come on! Can you push through? Can you push through?

Or are you just here for a little "bless me"?
Maybe you're watching for a little "bless me"!
I want more than a "bless me"!
I want a habitatiiiiiiiiiooooooooon!

If you want a little "bless me", we're not lookin for a little bless me here!
We're lookin for a move of God here! We're lookin for a revival here!
We're lookin for the glory of God here!

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Anonymous said...

Listening to this audio makes me ill. I wonder if it was a similar sound that Joshua heard:

"And when Joshua heard the noise of the people as they shouted, he said unto Moses, There is a noise of war in the camp."
Exodus 32:17

Thank you for your excellent blog.

Duane said...

You don't really believe he was ask God to send physical fire do you? If you do you weren't listening. He was crying out for the fires of revival. Do you want revival?

Study the greek work homothumodon, it's probably mis-spelled, but it's the word translated "one accord" in Acts 2 and other places. It's a compound of homo (the same) and thomodon. It's a word that means passion, to burn, blow, smoke.

Get the picture 120 in a room with one heated passion for the promise of fire. They are probably making a bunch of noise. They are blowing and burning in prayer for the presence of God. God comes with wind and tounges of fire. People not much different then you accuse them of being drunk. Every revival has those who oppose.

Also there is a huge difference between worshiping angles and ask God to send them. I honestly find nothing wrong with the clips. I am a bible believing Christian, not a Baal worshiper, nor an angel worshiper. Your examples don't match your comments. There are many biblical examples of angels waring in Daniel, and ministering to Jesus after his fast, just to name a couple.

Jon@TheWay said...

Of course I don't believe they want "real" fire. But as a group (not every individual) they are calling for their fire and CERTAINLY NOT receiving the "fire" of the indwelling Holy Spirit that leads people to repentance. If they received the "fire" would they need to call for it daily?

See my post below for more on revival:

On angels, did Daniel or Jesus call on God to send angels, or did they just call on God, and trust God for their provision. If God decides to send angels (and He may) so be it. But it is NOT scriptural to ask God to send them, or to trust in them for any of our needs. They are simply created beings doing God's bidding. Yes, they war in the hidden spiritual realm, and they minister to us what God desires, and they reap and gather the lawless wicked, and the elect, and they joy in conversion of souls.

Where are the bible verses of people calling on God to send angels for their needs?

You are applying the FACT that there are angels and they have a work to do, to this audio which ONLY shows a group of people calling on "God" to send "angels" to provide what they want or need.

That is unbiblical and it is indirect angel worship.

Anonymous said...

Not only that, if they were truly repentant, truly loving Jesus, why would they be summoning up angels? They might as well be witches in a coven... NOWHERE in Scripture do you see people gathering together to summon up anything. Christians gather together to pray, to love God, to seek HIM.

If God sends His angels, that's HIS remit. It's not for us to demand. And if we do demand angels, why do we assume that the ones we're getting are of God? Satan is an angel too after all.

I repeat... NOWHERE in Scripture do saints gather and start summoning angels. Not one Scripture supports what Bentley is doing.

Anonymous said...

Todd doesn't seem know the function of the Holy Spirit.

I can't fathom why anyone claiming to be a born again "leader" would be calling down "spirits and angels" to do the basic functions of the Holy Spirit. Could it be these leaders tossed God and His word out because these experiences offer them more excitement and notoriety?
I think they fell away from the truth and then re-invented a god of their own vain imaginations.
The double whammy is they cannot give up the fame and power that drives these lies. If they ever 'see' it will only be because God Himself opened their eyes.

Astonimous said...

I have little doubt Todd Bentley actually sees and talks to real angels. Unfortunately, they are fallen angels. As for the angel he met "over 30 times", the angel that followed his meetings and stood to the left, and the other angels he sees repeatedly, there is a Biblical name for such: "familiar spirits."

In God's Word, appearances by God's angels were special occasions of momentous import, in fact, miraculous events, rather than routine, common occurrences.

Beware the strange fire. Don't get caught standing with the Sons of Korah.