Saturday, May 31, 2008

PASTOR STRADER SPEAKS: On Todd Bentley, Emma, Revival, etc.

The past couple of days Pastor Stephen Strader of Lakeland's Ignited Church of the Assemblies of God has been trading e-mails with me regarding my "Open Letter" and about what is happening in Lakeland. Pastor Strader's Ignited Church started the meetings with Todd Bentley that have now become the "Florida Outpouring". (Revealing info about Ignited Church in that link as well.)

Of the several letters I sent, I honestly was least expecting to hear from Pastor Strader. Pastor Strader was the only person kind enough to answer my Open Letters directly even though he must be exceedingly busy. (They have been busy changing venue locations, etc. in Lakeland.)

I would like to say to him personally that I sincerely appreciated his engaging me in this discussion.

In our e-mail exchanges Pastor Strader discusses the "angel" Emma, Todd Bentley's relationship to Bob Jones, Patricia King, etc. and his methods of "stewarding" this movement.

I am going to post the e-mails in order, and in their entirety and let Pastor Strader speak for himself.

Once again (as with both John Kilpatrick's and Dr. George O. Wood's statements regarding my letters) my questions were basically ignored, but you will se that the last things Pastor Strader wrote answer my questions pretty clearly. Please comment below.

The e-mails follow: My e-mails/responses are BLUE Pastor Strader's are RED
(NOTE: This is a LONG post containing 4 e-mails and 4 responses but WELL WORTH YOUR TIME.)

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MY FIRST E-MAIL TO PASTOR STRADER:
The "Open Letter"...


From: jon@thewaycf.com
To: karlajoy@aol.com
Sent: 5/26/2008 1:48:06 P.M.
Subj: Pastor Stephen Strader - 2 questions...

Pastor Stephen Strader,

I am in the process of determining the Assemblies of God current position concerning previous Official Statements and their official view of Todd Bentley. Out of 5 letters I have sent (to Dr. George Wood, Terry Raburn, Steve Hill, John Kilpatrick and AG Public Relations Director Keith Surface) I have only received a response from Pastor John Kilpatrick. But I am not satisfied with his statement as it answers no questions concerning Todd Bentley's doctrine and what the Assemblies of God congregations should do with it. (i.e., ignore it, condemn it, or support it)

I've been in church all of my life. Every minister I have ever known took such a high view of doctrine and their ministry/pulpit responsibilities that they would never allow ANYONE to preach from their pulpit without first finding out what they believe. Yet (as one of our commenters believed) John Kilpatrick, at least, was "reverse-duped" and tricked into speaking at Todd Bentley's pulpit without knowing HIS doctrine.

Pastor Kilpatrick issued this statement in response to my e-mail about the Lakeland Revival:

I, John Kilpatrick, went down to Todd Bentley’s meetings, the Florida Outpouring, and gave my blessing to revival. I made it clear that I didn’t know Todd, his doctrinal belief nor who he is affiliated with, if anyone. To me, doctrine is very important. It always has been and it always will be. It is the infrastructure that a move of God runs on. You can not separate a man from his doctrine.

The purpose of my going to Lakeland was to bless what God was doing. I continue to champion and pray that it stands the test of time.

John A. Kilpatrick


My concern is, how could Pastor Kilpatrick, a man who claims to holds doctrine so highly, (and I believe he does) do something like stand in front of possibly millions of people to bless Todd Bentley and the "Florida Outpouring" as a man and move of God?

Also, how can you, in maintaining an Assemblies of God church, host, sponsor, and support Todd Bentley and his unbiblical (as the Assemblies of God have previously declared) ministry?

In the end there are only three options I can see why Pastors John Kilpatrick and Steve Hill and yourself might stand in front of possibly millions of people to bless Todd Bentley and the "Florida Outpouring"...

(1) You (they) are going against the AoG Position Papers and over 50 years of refusing to support the Latter Rain movement by the Assemblies of God thus accepting the "Latter Rain" doctrines of Todd Bentley.

(2) You (they) do NOT hold doctrine or the issue of another man's "doctrine" nearly as highly as you (they) should (and which Pastor Kilpatrick's response says he does). At least not high enough to check out Todd Bentley's doctrine in advance of hosting, sponsoring, supporting and appearing on stage with him.

(3) You (they) were drugged, kidnapped, led to the revival by force, and forced to host Todd Bentley and to speak and pray on that stage.

I want to believe Pastor Kilpatrick when he says that he holds doctrine in high regard, but I can't when he was thoughtless enough to put himself in front of the world (on satellite camera) to say "This is a move of God..." and "I bless you (Todd) in Jesus' name, that this thing (Todd's revival) would go worldwide" when Todd Bentley's doctrine is so completely unbiblical.

I have also heard you spend a great deal of time on television and internet video defending Todd Bentley and this revival as a move of God. The only problem is that you can't defend that position by scripture.

Pastor Kilpatrick said in his statement to me that doctrine "is the infrastructure that a move of God runs on. You can not separate a man from his doctrine." I agree. But there has been easy-to-find, ample evidence documented about Todd Bentley's doctrines and "Latter Rain" associations for quite some time and they should have alarmed all of you to the truth.

This statement sounds to me like Pastor Kilpatrick is attempting to say that he knew NOTHING of Todd Bentley's doctrine...and that's my point!

And that's why he, yourself, Pastor Steve Hill, Terry Raburn, and Dr. George Wood should now "fess up" to the worldwide members of Assembly of God churches and say:
"I made a mistake. I was duped. (if applicable) I do not support Todd Bentley's ministry. I stand with the Assemblies of God General Council of 1949 and the Resolution 16 Position Papers in taking a bold stand against any of Todd Bentley's "Latter Rain/Joel's Army" doctrines. And I, Steve Hill & John Kilpatrick were wrong to go on his stage, support him, promote him and host him."

And it is time NOW for the Assemblies of God to pull themselves OUT of this unbiblical movement that is claiming to be "of God" yet is mixed and mingled with heresies and heretics, false prophecies and false prophets, false teachings and false teachers, and worst of all, a leader who (by his own words) makes Jesus Christ of less concern than the "the supernatural"... and He says God told him to do it!

Or maybe you, Pastor Strader are a full Todd Bentley/Latter Rain supporter. If so, I believe you should "fess up" to the worldwide members of Assembly of God churches that you have accepted as authentic that which the Assemblies of God has historically called unbiblical. Then the many who still hold dearly the Holy Word of God and the past godly resolutions of the Assemblies of God can have a final word. Until you make a statement, tens of thousands of your members are confused. This revival DOES NOT line up with scripture, its leader DOES NOT line up with scripture, his mentors, BOB JONES, JACK COE, WILLIAM BRANHAM, A.A. ALLEN etc. etc., who DO NOT line up with scripture, and, some of which, the Assemblies of God have in the past refused to associate with, or the Assemblies of God have taken away AG credentials from.

The Assembly of God congregations and pastors MUST know where you stand in relation to Todd Bentley, because he is basically saying "What the AG formerly said is false. These are men of God! These are moves of God! These are the words of God!" etc, etc,

The Assembly of God congregations and pastors MUST know where you stand in relation to Todd Bentley so they can decide whether they will go along with the NEW Assemblies of God, or continue to agree with the OLD Assemblies of God and deem it unbiblical, and get out.

I only have two questions and I would like you to answer them in response to this e-mail...

1. Do you, Stephen Strader agree with and stand behind the official statements of the Assemblies of God General Councils of 1949 and in Resolution 16 at General Council 2000 concerning the Latter Rain movement and End Time Revival, which both condemned the Latter Rain movement and its doctrines as unbiblical?

These doctrines include:
• The overemphasis on identifying, bestowing, or imparting spiritual gifts by the laying on of hands and naming, supposedly by prophecy, specific gifts.
• The problematic teaching that present-day offices of apostles and prophets should govern church ministry at all levels. and "The erroneous teaching that the church is built on the foundation of present-day apostles and prophets"
• "The extreme teaching... of confession of sin to man and deliverance as practiced, which claims prerogatives to human agency which belongs only to Christ"
• The practice of imparting or imposing personal leadings by means of gifts of utterance.
• Wresting and distorting Scripture through interpretations that are in opposition to the primary meaning of biblical passages.
• Kingdom Now or Dominion theology.
• Manifest Sons of God and Joel’s Army
• Spiritualizing Biblical Events and History
• The Prosperity Gospel
• Birthing
• Generational Curses
• Excessive fixation on Satan and demonic spirits
• Excessive Fascination With Physical "Manifestations

[ ] I AGREE with the statements of AGGC (1949 and 2000) concerning the Latter Rain Movement and End-Time Revival.
[ ] I DISAGREE with the statements of AGGC (1949 and 2000) concerning the Latter Rain Movement and End-Time Revival.


2. Do you, Stephen Strader, officially consider Todd Bentley's doctrines and ministry (as documented in his many teachings, videos etc) as straight (II Timothy 2:15), and consistently in line with the Word of God?

[ ] I believe Todd Bentley's doctrines and ministry are BIBLICAL
[ ] I believe Todd Bentley's doctrines and ministry are IN ERROR


Two simple questions. I would be satisfied and would have no further questions for you if I could get you to answer those two simple questions.
And I believe that the entire Assemblies of God denomination deserves to hear those answers so that they may be led out of confusion!

I eagerly await your response. If I do not receive one within 72 hours I will take it upon myself to begin a campaign and will do all I can to get the word out about the contradictions of the National Headquarters from 1948, to 2000, to today, to the AG churches and pastors of the world so they can make an informed, biblical decision about Todd Bentley.

I sincerely hope you decide to clear this question up for me, for all of my readers, and for the world, even though you will be criticized by some. And I sincerely hope you are still willing to "wear that criticism gladly as a sign of fidelity to Christ" like you said you would at General Council in 2000!


In Christ,

Jon Sharp

blog.thewaycf.com

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PASTOR STRADER'S FIRST RESPONSE FOLLOWS:

From: pastor@ignitedchurch.com
To:
jon@thewaycf.com.com
Sent: 5/26/2008 3:53:06 P.M.
Subj: Re: Pastor Stephen Strader - 2 questions...


Jon

I'm very sorry... I just don't have the time to answer all of your questions or concerns...

I guarantee that if you had three A/G pastors in a room, somebody would be in disagreement with something one of the other two is doing.

This is NOT about the A/G or Todd or me... this is a God thing... I don't "own it" nor can I "control it"

I think the mistakes of the A/G is that they "threw out the baby with the bath water" when they renounced the "latter rain" outpouring. I think they made "blanket statements" that condemned the whole bunch because of a few "bad apples"...

None of us wants to make that same mistake again.

The A/G made those statements "years" after the movement was started... today is only day 55... do you understand that WE don't even understand what is happening???

Todd and I have discussed many doctrinal "adjustments" that he has made over his ten years of ministry -- just like any man of God -- he is constantly adjusting...

as of TODAY -- Todd has said or done nothing that is in direct conflict with any A/G doctrine. He has had "guests" on the platform that would not be acceptable, but "those guests" are just "guests" and Todd and myself are leading this as best we can.

Have you ever watched Fox News have a "panel debate" over a "speech" given by the President??? Those speeches have been "thought out" worked on by specialists... lawyers... politicians... etc... EVERYTHING we are doing on that stage is PURE SPONTANEOUS... it's like trying to "ride a bull"...

There are been many mistakes... we make adjustments and get back on the bull the next day... PLEASE -- PRAY FOR US -- this is NOT the time to "dissect" this or "analyze this"... We need your prayers and encouragement.

Do you remember when the hurricane hit New Orleans? You had people DEMANDING to know "why" there were people in the super dome not being cared for... they wanted answers... that wasn't the time to ask "why"... it was TIME TO GET THEM HELP...

We need HELP... not questions...

Stephen Strader
pastor@ignitedchurch.com
www.ignitedchurch.com

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MY SECOND E-MAIL TO PASTOR STRADER:

From: jon@thewaycf.com
To: pastor@ignitedchurch.com
Sent: 5/27/2008 8:05:06 P.M.
Subj: my previous e-mail...

Sir,

First, I would like to thank you sincerely for responding so quickly to my e-mail. I know you are unbelievably busy. I do want you to know that I do not have malicious intents in this "campaign".

However, the doctrines being taught by Todd Bentley (and that have been taught, and that are still posted on his freshfire.ca website) are clearly against the Word of God. I have no choice but to stand against it and warn others to stay away.

You wrote... "He (Todd) has had "guests" on the platform that would not be acceptable (by AoG Standards), but "those guests" are just "guests" and Todd and myself are leading this as best we can."

Unfortunately, Todd's guests ARE your guests... and guests of the Assemblies of God via Ignited Church. What does "leadership" mean if not keeping heretics off your stage? And if they are unacceptable to the AoG, then you, Pastor Strader, should be reprimanded by Springfield for hosting these "unacceptable guests"! But I suppose Springfield is not worried about their "flock" judging from the letter I received from Dr. Wood. LINK That saddens me since the teachings of the "guests" that you mentioned you have hosted on the platform are flat-out heretical in several cases as are Mr. Bentley's ideas of the natures and personalities of God, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit.

You said "as of TODAY -- Todd has said or done nothing that is in direct conflict with any A/G doctrine."

That is very much debatable, and the silence of any prominent AG leader thus far concerning Todd Bentley's doctrine also worries me greatly about the spiritual health of the denomination!

Finally, you said "Do you remember when the hurricane hit New Orleans? You had people DEMANDING to know "why" there were people in the super dome not being cared for... they wanted answers... that wasn't the time to ask "why"... it was TIME TO GET THEM HELP... We need HELP... not questions..."

My response is "How many more souls would have died without the questions being raised?" Questions are what create solutions. Unfortunately for the "revival", questions also bring out the Truth.

Pastor Strader, NOW IS the time to ask biblical questions and make hard biblical choices to help "save the people blown by every wind of doctrine" both from this mess now, and from future " hurricane winds" of false revival. To "Wait and See" what is left standing and who is left alive after the storm blows over is the WRONG MOVE! People are being blown to destruction by way of Todd's unbiblical "Winds of Change" mess.

You said that you needed "Prayers and Encouragement"... I believe we should ALL oblige you. I am praying for you. I am praying for Todd Bentley. And I am praying for all others involved and the thousands of people who are being led into deception by way of the "Florida Outpouring". It is an unbiblical move of a false angel/god, being led by a biblically-false prophet and a false teacher.

Therefore the one thing I can't pray for is the success of this "revival".

As for encouragement, I can't offer to hold your arms up in this case because I believe you are fighting the wrong side of the war!

However, with all sincerity, I ENCOURAGE YOU, and Todd Bentley, and everyone else involved with this "outpouring", to dump the watered-down message that is being "preached". As a rule, it has been consistently falling outside the written, revealed Word of God. The world does not need healing. They need salvation. They don't need "electricity", they need the definition of the Power of God (Dunamis) that the Bible gives time and time again... the Gospel of Jesus Christ IS the "Power of God".

You have before you the greatest opportunity anyone has had in hundreds of years! You have a worldwide audience. Now *IS* the ONLY time you will have to dissect and analyze this...
I ENCOURAGE YOU to examine what has been going forth... and as Pastor, make sure that the watered down message that has been being preached is replaced with the concentrated, pure stuff...
Drop the weak "gospel" of healing, signs, wonders, prosperity and miracles... and preach instead the consistent, clear message of sin, faith, repentance, and salvation/righteousness through Jesus Christ alone.

Miracles and healings will always be worked by God... and souls will always be saved in the same manner... but it all only happens when people begin falling on their faces in repentance, rather than on their backs, wishing for a miracle. I ENCOURAGE YOU, surrender to the will of God, repent from the message you are backing, and fight for Who you know is Right! Stand brave and preach a "Sinners in the hands of an angry God" message! Stand brave and preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ! Stand brave and do what you must with the revival... Only then will lives will be eternally changed. Only through the preaching of His Son and our Savior, Jesus Christ will God will be glorified. And then you will have many who will be scrambling to hold your arms up!

I would sincerely appreciate it if you would share this letter with Todd Bentley, John & Carol Arnott, Patricia King, Bob Jones, Paul Cain, Roy Fields, and anyone else you wish.

Sincerely,
In Christ,

Jon Sharp
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PASTOR STRADER'S SECOND RESPONSE FOLLOWS:

From: Stephen Strader
To: TheWayCF (Jon)
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: My previous letter...


please list the heretics that have been on the stage
I'm not aware of but one... has he has not been invited back


Stephen Strader
pastor@ignitedchurch.com
www.ignitedchurch.com


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MY THIRD E-MAIL TO PASTOR STRADER:

On May 28, 2008, at 3:25 AM, Totally Sharp (Jon) wrote:


Pastor Strader,

The fact that Paul Cain was invited in the first place is the problem. The damage has been done so it doesn't matter whether that he won't be invited back.

FIRST: Would you not consider Patricia King a heretic?

(Patricia King has never backed down from calling her "Great Cloud of Witnesses" experience "truth"... but has only said that she would stop selling it.)
She said: "I am not admitting error in any of the content I have shared. A full theological review will determine this in the future. But, I am very sorry for communicating it in wrong timing, in an unwise manner, and perhaps to wrong audiences who were not ready or able to process and sift through the concepts and revelations."

and elsewhere (on her website)...

"Patricia has personally never spoken to anyone in the Great Cloud of Witnesses and she does not believe that we are to call for them (BUT THEY CAN "CALL US"?)
http://extremeprophetic.com/ask_patricia_pg1.htm(BUT IF THEY START A CONVERSATION, ITS OK?) She has, however had a visionary encounter on two occasions which involved the Great Cloud of Witnesses. Hebrews 12:1 says they "surround us.” She is not sure what Todd believes about the Great Cloud of Witnesses releasing mantles or empowerment. Patricia has come to no conclusions on that subject herself..."

SECOND: Would you not consider Bob Jones a heretic?

Bob Jones says that God's question for entrance into heaven is that "Have you learned to love?"... And if you HAVEN"T, don't worry, some still "get in" but with no fruit. I'm not sure what those who went to hell in his vision did to deserve it.

(He also says) his hands started "working funny" (turning colors and having healing properties) after a bolt of blue lightning came into his basement?

Bob Jones seems to be saying that healing gifts come from encounters with lightning... and that the Blood of Christ is trumped by "love for brethren" in satisfying God's wrath? Sounds like heresy to me.

THIRD: Unfortunately, I believe this is pure heresy from Todd Bentley himself... not to mention other issues from his past/current website "teachings" AND the fact that he constantly refers to heretics, false prophets, drunks, etc of the past as people he emulates and admires.

In fact, you are in close proximity to Mr. Bentley... Would you please (and I'm serious) ask him why he removed references to the angel's name of "Emma" from his website,... or give me his e-mail address and I would be glad to ask him myself.

Please reply to explain how any of these are not heresies. It concerns me greatly that you don't see them as such.

Thank you for the dialog.

In Christ,

Jon Sharp


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PASTOR STRADER'S THIRD RESPONSE FOLLOWS:

From: Stephen Strader
To: TheWayCF(Jon)
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: My previous letter...


Jon

I have sat and discussed all of these with all three... I am satisfied that they were on a journey, they experienced some things... they have sought wise - theological counsel - they have and continue to make adjustments -- and -- as far as I am concerned today -- they are not and have not taught anything that is heretical.

For example -- the whole "emma" experience happened seven years ago... Todd went through a thorough year of a "sabbatical" two years ago when he focused his faith & theology... and that's when he pulled those things from his website... some additional things were on his website -- discovered by critics -- and he had those pulled as well.

Another example -- there are examples of "saints" appearing to people in the bible -- but Todd nor I believe that we should ever "seek" to experience those things... we can "seek" to experience what John the Revelatory experienced in Revelation... but it certainly is not a "casual" or "common" every - day experience...

The bottom line is Todd, Patricia, and Bob Jones are "out there" -- pushing the envelope of faith... they are not "theologians"... and they receive "correction" from righteous brothers in the Lord... I know this first hand.

This ATTENTION that they are receiving right now has forced them on a journey of theology and doctrine... and I personally give you my word that they are making correction.

Will they "satisfy" your doctrine... probably not... maybe not even mine... but what I do know beyond any shadow of a doubt... they truly love Jesus -- Christ is the center and focus of their lives... and they are living right...

The word says -- let every man work out his salvation with fear and trembling...

Of course I'm responsible for what happens in my pulpit... and my pulpit is clean as far as I know. I have corrected anything that I have felt uncomfortable with including Bob Jones mentioning "emma"... and Todd agreed with me and talked with Bob about it... it won't happen again.

Jon... if you and I were having a discussion with a Southern Baptist... they would not agree with anything other than the blood & the cross... they read the same bible and they just choose to ignore the work of the Holy Spirit, signs & wonders, and miracles. I don't want to be like that... I want to be open to the move of the Spirit.

The bible says -- by their fruits you shall know them... I am seeing & experiencing incredible fruit... I do not see people running around having "angelic" experiences or "talking" with dead saints... I see people having a first hand experience with Christ and His Holy Spirit -- period... no exceptions... so far.

New Converts are being won... we are developing a followup that is based on biblical discipleship... and it comes right out of A/G doctrine...

What more can I say? If you choose to "throw this outpouring out" because of past mistakes or possible heresy's of people loosely connected... you will be missing the work of the Holy Spirit -- just like the A/G did back in the 50's when they rejected the Latter Rain movement instead of "stewarding" it...

I'm trying to steward this... why do you think I've spent 30 minutes responding to you -- I don't know you -- and I have 1200 unread emails on my computer.

Stephen Strader
pastor@ignitedchurch.com
www.ignitedchurch.com

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MY FOURTH E-MAIL TO PASTOR STRADER:

On May 28, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Totally Sharp (Jon) wrote:


Pastor Strader,

Thank you for your quick reply. I have responded to what you wrote me in BLUE. Your text remains (RED). I wrote more below these responses.... You wrote:

Jon
I have sat and discussed all of these with all three... I am satisfied that they were on a journey, they experienced some things... they have sought wise - theological counsel -

{could you please give me names and positions of some of these wise counselors?}

they have and continue to make adjustments
{to what? personal doctrine and beliefs? or to their recorded words?}

-- and -- as far as I am concerned today have not taught anything that is heretical.
{today?}

For example -- the whole "emma" experience happened seven years ago... Todd went through a thorough year of a "sabbatical" two years ago when he focused his faith & theology... and that's when he pulled those things from his website...
{so does he no longer believe the angel's name was Emma?... or does he believe the experience never happened?... because the account remains on his website. Yet the name Emma has disappeared}

some additional things were on his website
{has he changed his views on those "additional things" as being "biblical" or "from God"... or is he just keeping them from public scrutiny yet maintaining the belief?}

-- discovered by critics -- and he had those pulled as well.
Another example -- there are examples of "saints" appearing to people in the bible -- but Todd nor I believe that we should ever "seek" to experience those things... we can "seek" to experience what John the Revelatory experienced in Revelation... but it certainly is not a "casual" or "common" every-day experience...
{ It seems to be an every-day experience for Todd Bentley - by his statements I see that he has regular access if not daily access to an open portal to heaven and God speaks DIRECTLY verbally to him near daily, if I am to believe his statements on the many nights of services I've watched}

The bottom line is Todd, Patricia, and Bob Jones are "out there" -- pushing the envelope of faith...
{sir, they are "pushing the envelope" of the Word of God -- to their own destruction! The phrase means "To exceed the existing limits in a certain field;... Well, GOD set the limits. Who are Todd Bentley, Bob Jones and Patricia King to "push" God's limits?}

they are not "theologians"
{definition: a person versed in the field of study and analysis ...of God and of God's attributes and relations to the universe; study of divine things or religious truth; RELIGIOUS TRUTH does not come from seminary-- it comes from the Bible. If they are not theologians as the Bereans were, why should we want them teaching us or our loved ones about God, his attributes, or religious truth? I am not a heart surgeon. So I don't do heart surgery! I do study and analyze God's Word, so I preach it.}

..and they receive "correction" from righteous brothers in the Lord... I know this first hand.
{Could you please give me the names and positions of some of these righteous brothers?}

This ATTENTION that they are receiving right now has forced them on a journey of theology and doctrine... and I personally give you my word that they are making correction.
{Yet they are teaching others daily the same stuff that they are soon going to have to "correct"?? They should not be on stage yet if they are in the middle of this unsure journey to find what they believe!}

Will they "satisfy" your doctrine... probably not... maybe not even mine... but what I do know beyond any shadow of a doubt... they truly love Jesus -- Christ is the center and focus of their lives...
{Then why is Jesus NOT the center and focus of the "Florida Outpouring"? Todd talks about Jesus at most 1/20th of the time that he talks about everything else... I know... I've counted it up.}

and they are living right...
{I assume you mean morally... I have no reason to doubt it. And I have personally never said anything or written anything about tattoos, dress, criminal records, piercings, etc. They don't matter to me. All I care about is that the Gospel of Jesus Christ, crucified and resurrected, is the message Todd preaches... on television he has failed.}

The word says -- let every man work out his salvation with fear and trembling...
{Sir, you are misusing this verse - it does not mean "figure things out"...

Philippians 2:1-2 (NLT) Is there any encouragement from belonging to Christ? Any comfort from his love? Any fellowship together in the Spirit? Are your hearts tender and compassionate? Then make me truly happy by agreeing wholeheartedly with each other, loving one another, and working together with one mind and purpose.
Philippians 2:5 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.
Philippians 2:7 ...he took the humble position of a slave...
Philippians 2:8-13 ...he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal’s death on a cross. Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Dear friends, you always followed my instructions when I was with you. And now that I am away, it is even more important. Work hard to show (((in context, this means to "push OUT" in full view of the world what God has "WORKED IN" you))) the results of your salvation, obeying God with deep reverence and fear. For God is working in you, giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases him...


So GOD does it ALL by working in us... We can't "work anything out" concerning our salvation.}

Of course I'm responsible for what happens in my pulpit... and my pulpit is clean as far as I know. I have corrected anything that I have felt uncomfortable with including Bob Jones mentioning "emma"... and Todd agreed with me and talked with Bob about it... it won't happen again.
{Frankly I don't care what you, or I, or any other pastor is "uncomfortable" with... our "hearts are deceitfully wicked"... I only care that we judge all words and deeds by the Word of God.

Once we take liberties to venture outside his revealed Word looking for "truth" we have no limits. Suppose Bob Jones said that he had a picnic on the moon with the prophet Daniel, Elvis Presley and 12 little green cheese men. Who am I or who are you to doubt him?

If we don't have a RULE by which to measure ALL things, then anybody can say anything and we have no way to refute it! II Timothy 3:16 says ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be COMPLETE, thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work.}

Jon... if you and I were having a discussion with a Southern Baptist... they would not agree with anything other than the blood & the cross... they read the same bible and they just choose to ignore the work of the Holy Spirit, signs & wonders, and miracles. I don't want to be like that... I want to be open to the move of the Spirit.
{Me too. But any "move" MUST be measured, judged, and limited by the Scriptures. The minute it falls outside the bounds of the Bible, we must call it ERROR.

Bob DeWaay gives this illustration about "putting God in a box". He says that's the wrong perspective. We DON'T put God in a box... he has already put us safely in a sheepfold. And the fenceline of that sheepfold is the Word of God! Outside the "hedge of protection" he has graciously given are the "wolves" and the "lion seeking to devour us"

How can we know with assurance whether Bob Jones or Todd Bentley or Patricia King is a wolf in sheeps clothing??
By YOUR ASSURANCE TO ME?
By PATRICIA KING'S STATEMENT ON HER TV SHOW?
By THE WORD of TODD?....
No..... these things are only measurable by the Word of God!}

The bible says -- by their fruits you shall know them... I am seeing & experiencing incredible fruit...
{Each individual "fruit" of the Spirit is commonly counterfeited even by cult leaders like Jim Jones and psychopaths like Hitler. The true "fruit of the Spirit is singular" Love-Joy-Peace-Patience-Kindness-Goodness-Gentleness-Self Control, this singular "fruit" comes from a singular "Holy Spirt" and is the evidence that you are a "seed-bearing" plant. The ONLY eternal fruit of a believer are the souls which he has a part in reaching with the Gospel...}

I do not see people running around having "angelic" experiences or "talking" with dead saints... I see people having a first hand experience with Christ and His Holy Spirit -- period... no exceptions... so far.
New Converts are being won... we are developing a followup that is based on biblical discipleship... and it comes right out of A/G doctrine...
{I'm not saying people aren't hearing the Gospel, I'm not saying no one is being saved. I'm saying everytime I have watched on television there has been (1) a near-worthless attempt at presenting of the Gospel or (2) NO presentation of the Gospel... maybe it is happening before or after you are "on-air". Please tell me if I am wrong... I hope I am.}

What more can I say? If you choose to "throw this outpouring out" because of past mistakes or possible heresy's of people loosely connected... you will be missing the work of the Holy Spirit
{The same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead DWELLS IN ME... How can I "miss his work"?}

-- just like the A/G did back in the 50's when they rejected the Latter Rain movement instead of "stewarding" it... I'm trying to steward this...
{1 Corinthians 4:2: "IT IS REQUIRED IN STEWARDS, THAT A MAN BE FOUND FAITHFUL - How but by the Word of God can you say that you have been faithful or not? How but by the Word of God can you even attempt to steward this movement? I believe the A/G did the right thing in the 50's according to the Word of God.

why do you think I've spent 30 minutes responding to you -- I don't know you -- and I have 1200 unread emails on my computer.

Stephen Strader

Pastor Strader, Though it appears we disagree on vital issues I VERY SINCERELY appreciate you taking the time for me. It greatly encourages me that at least SOMEONE in the A/G organization was concerned enough to deal with at least some questions and honestly I least expected that it would be you.

As I said, I am praying for you, for Todd and for all of your visitors. I am praying for you... that you can remain faithful to the Word of God. I am praying that you keep yourself INSIDE God's sheepfold of His Word so that that you will not deceived by the wolves to come out.

Please know that I desire revival as well... I'm just sad that we seem to have different definitions of the word.
I pray that God will bless you and reveal his Truth to you by His Spirit through His Word (in that laptop on your lap?) ;)

Isa 8:19 And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God?
Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony! (GODS WORD) If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Please respond with a note even if you don't have time to deal with the above points. I would like to know if you would have any problem with me posting these correspondences on my blog.
It really is kind of you to engage me in this discussion and I believe you have answered some questions my readers probably have.

I hope you know that I am sincerely not being malicious toward any but simply defending the Word of God against what I believe are huge problems with the Florida Outpouring.
I am of no denomination so I have no one to answer to but God and I take that position very seriously. If I don't "do what I know is right" to me it would be sin.

In Christ,

Jon Sharp


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PASTOR STRADER'S FOURTH RESPONSE FOLLOWS:

Jon

I'm so sorry...
I have over 1500 unread emails just from the last few days...

If you don't "believe" then delete this... there is no answer that will calm your doubts...

If you have the Holy Spirit... simply pray... "Lord, if there is anything here that you want me to have, then I want it... anything you don't want me to have, then keep it from me..."

See what God does for you

I believe that Todd and this Outpouring are from God... it's the Lord's doing... period.

It will NEVER be perfect... nor will the "doctrine" line up with everyone... let the Holy Spirit sort it out!!!


Stephen Strader
pastor@ignitedchurch.com
www.ignitedchurch.com

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MY FIFTH (and final) E-MAIL TO PASTOR STRADER:

Sir,

Thank you so much for all of your time. These e-mails will help give some official "equal time" to you, Ignited Church and the "Florida Outpouring" on my blog.

I very much appreciate the answers you gave when no one else seemed to want to deal with these questions. I'm sincerely praying for you.

Jon Sharp


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Friday, May 30, 2008

LAKELAND HEALINGS: Are they real? ...does it matter?

We have been seeing a few other blogs receive comments that say (in effect) "You shouldn't/can't say this is not a move of God! Look at all the people who are being healed and saved!"

I will go ahead and deal with the salvation aspect now. I say "How can we KNOW if people are being saved or not? We can't know at this early stage because there has been no time to witness ongoing fruit from the "savees". So salvation is a non-issue in the argument of whether or not the Florida Outpouring" is a "move of God".

Concerning ALL of the healings (real, imagined and false), I thought I should post my response as an article. What I wrote contains what I feel about the miraculous healings at Lakeland and I have edited the content slightly.

Please read on.

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Firstly, this blog has not once said that the Lakeland healings are false, or that there have been no healings at Lakeland, and we are not concerned with disproving healings.

I'm quite sure there have been people healed at Lakeland, and I'm even more sure more people will come around saying they have been healed at Lakeland. So, Ok... I'm glad that this particular pastor was healed and I sincerely wish him the best.

Now that that's out of the way, I must say that nothing that the commenter said and nothing miraculous that's happened at Lakeland,
(including his pastor's healing), changes anything on this blog.

• Todd Bentley STILL teaches, believes in, and promotes unscriptural teachings.

• He still has heretical articles and videos available from his website.

• He still fails to preach a clear message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the bible commands.

• Depending on when you tune in, there is little to no sin, repentance and faith preached to bring people to a true conversion and new birth.

• He is still in fellowship with heretics, sexual deviants, false prophets, and false teachers

• He still refers to the same heretics, drunks, false prophets and false teachers as his spiritual heros.

• He still regularly twists scripture all over the place causing it to bend to the point he wants to make.

• And he himself is still a false prophet, a heretic and a blasphemer.

And on, and on....

Until the day that Todd Bentley himself stands in front of his camera and publicly repents from his previous errors and heresies and tells the world that he was wrong... AND until the day AFTER THAT when he preaches a clear consistent gospel message, leading people to Christ rather than to healing, I will continue to warn people about him and encourage them to stay AWAY from him and his revival.

Psychics all over the world can tell you "secret" things about yourself or others.

And shamans, witches, voodoo workers, pagans, wiccans, etc. have all had verified healings.

So how can we tell that the Florida Outpouring should be avoided? By the Word of God,... and it says to avoid false teachers! (Just do a little googling and looking around on Todd Bentley's site.)

Don't be deceived. Do you really think that a pastor's healing, people getting up out of wheelchairs, or even 16, 20, or 100 resurrections makes the Florida Revival a true move of God?

God is consistent. When the people respond to His Word bringing Him a sacrifice of humility, godly sorrow for sin, repentance of the heart, and a cry for mercy and forgiveness, God is moved and offers them life freely based of the death and resurrection of his Son, Jesus.

THAT is true revival. Just ask Jonathan Edwards, George Whitfield, the Wesleys, Spurgeon, etc. Miracles have been known to occur when people repent... but God doesn't want a healing revival! He wants a salvation revival!

A church service SHOULD BE ALL about Jesus...

A sermon SHOULD BE ALL about Jesus...

A "revival" especially SHOULD BE ALL about Jesus...

...NOT "a little" talk about Jesus to make a point or to give an air of authority to the speaker, and then "much more" talk about the healings going on. Every night at the Lakeland "Florida Outpouring" there is LITTLE about Jesus and a LOT about glory clouds, angels, healings, miracles, impartations, etc.

Saying "in the name of Jesus" and We love you Jesus" is NOT a gospel message. Jesus is NOT being preached at the Florida Outpouring... He is being "name-dropped".

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Thursday, May 29, 2008

Enemies of the Cross of Christ

Philippians 3:17-20 says:
"For I have told you often before, and I say it again with tears in my eyes, that there are many whose conduct shows they are really enemies of the cross of Christ... Their future is eternal destruction. Their god is their appetite, they brag about shameful things, and all they think about is life here on earth."

In Philippians 3:3-6 Paul tells us to put no confidence in human effort, but instead to boast about what Christ has done for us. He goes on to say that if anyone had reason to boast it would be him. He was circumcised at eight days old, born to a pure-blood Jewish family, from the tribe of Benjamin. He was a member of the Pharisees, who were the...

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...strictest when it came to the Jewish law. He obeyed the law so carefully that he was never accused of any fault.

And yet verse 7 tells us that even though at one time he thought all this was very important, he now considers it worthless because of what Christ did.

I am sure there are things that you could boast about. Don't be shy. Like the time you gave extra offering, cleaned up the kitchen after fellowship on Sunday night, and no one even thanked you. What about that time your friend needed 20 bucks and you stepped right in there.

While these are all wonderful things, they are nothing compared to knowing Christ.

Have we come to the place where we say (like in verse 8 of chapter 3) all these things that I have done, are nothing when compared with the priceless gain of knowing Christ Jesus our Lord.

Have we discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that we may trust and rest in Jesus Christ alone for salvation and righteousness and give Christ ALL of the glory for that righteousness, and become one with Him?

In Phil. 3:9 Paul says, "I no longer count on my own goodness or my ability to obey God's law, but I trust Christ to save me. For God's way of making us right with Himself depends on faith."

Your goodness is nothing, and you can never fully obey God's law. The Bible says in James 2:10 that if you stumble in one part of the law you are guilty of breaking the whole law.

Romans 4:13-16 "For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression. Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all"

So then it is not keeping the law that is the key, but faith is the key.

In verse 20-22, it tells us the kind of faith that Abraham had, and the result.

Romans 4:20-21 "He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. And therefore "it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Abraham never wavered in believing God's promise. In fact, his faith grew stronger, and in this he brought glory to God. He was ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that God was able to do anything he promised."

Do you have unwavering faith in God?

Does your faith grow stronger when circumstances around you seem impossible to overcome.

Abraham believed God's promises about his descendants even though he was 100 yrs old, and his wife 90. He couldn't see a way around his obstacles, but he knew God would keep His word no matter what the situation appeared to be.

What has God promised us?

Romans 4:22-25 "And because of Abraham's faith, God declared him to be righteous. Now this wonderful truth-that God declared him to be righteous-wasn't just for Abraham's benefit. It was for us, too, assuring us that God will also declare us to be righteous if we believe in God, who brought Jesus our Lord back from the dead. He was handed over to die because of our sins, and He was raised from the dead to make us right with God."

He has promised us salvation through faith in Christ. Do you have faith in God to keep his promise?

Galatians 3:10-13 But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When He was hung on the cross, He took upon Himself the curse for our wrong doing.

John 3:18 He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Our salvation isn't a result of our Godly conduct, our good deeds, or our love of others.

But instead, our Godly conduct, our good deeds, and our love of others are a result of our faith in Christ.

John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

Ephesians 4:25-32 Therefore, putting away lying, "Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor," for we are members of one another. "Be angry, and do not sin": do not let the sun go down on your wrath, nor give place to the devil. Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.

When Christ changes you into a new creature, you have His Spirit living in you. His desires become your desires. Your conduct becomes His.

So, does your conduct show that you are an enemy of the Cross of Christ, or that you are a friend of God?

There is nothing good in any of us to start with, we are all sinful creatures bound for an eternal separation from God. When we realize that we are nothing, and can do nothing for our spiritual state, then we can see that Christ is everything, and has done everything required to save us.

If you are trusting in your deeds for your righteousness, you are still an enemy of the cross.

If you are trusting in Christ alone for your salvation, your conduct will show it
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Romans 5:10-11 "For since we were restored to friendship with God by the death of His Son while we were still His enemies, we will certainly be delivered from eternal punishment by His life. So now we can rejoice in our wonderful new relationship with God-all because of what our Lord Jesus Christ has done for us in making us friends of God."

So with the question , "Are we enemies of the cross?", we should first consider if we have truly been made a friend of God..

In Christ
KDS

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Tuesday, May 27, 2008

STEPHEN STRADER: My response to his lacking statement

Ignited Church (Assembly of God) Pastor Stephen Strader responded to my Open Letter. In his response Pastor Strader says they need our "Prayers and Encouragement"... I must assure him that they already have my (our?) prayers! And I heartily ENCOURAGE HIM and everyone else involved, to drop the garbage that they are "preaching" that falls outside the revealed Word of God...

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to preach instead a consistent, clear message of sin, repentance, and righteousness through Jesus Christ alone.

Pastor Strader said "as of TODAY -- Todd has said or done nothing that is in direct conflict with any A/G doctrine."

That is very much debatable, and the silence of any AG leader thus far concerning Todd Bentley's doctrine worries me greatly about the spiritual health of the denomination!

Pastor Strader continued... "He (Todd) has had "guests" on the platform that would not be acceptable (by AoG Standards), but "those guests" are just "guests" and Todd and myself are leading this as best we can."

Unfortunately, Todd's guests ARE Pastor Strader's guests. What does "leadership" mean if not keeping heretics off your stage? And if they are unacceptable to the AoG, Pastor Strader should be reprimanded by the NHQ for hosting these "unacceptable guests"!

Pastor Strader also said "Do you remember when the hurricane hit New Orleans? You had people DEMANDING to know "why" there were people in the super dome not being cared for... they wanted answers... that wasn't the time to ask "why"... it was TIME TO GET THEM HELP... We need HELP... not questions..."

My response is how many more souls would have died without the questions? Pastor Strader, NOW IS the time to ask biblical questions to help SAVE THE PEOPLE both from this mess now, and in future "winds" of false revival,... not "Wait and See" what is left standing and who is left alive after the storm blows over! People are being led to destruction by way of Todd's unbiblical "Winds of Change" mess.

Pastor Strader asked for prayer and I believe we should all oblige him. Pray for him. Pray for Todd Bentley. And pray (or continue to pray) for all involved and the thousands of people who are being led into deception by way of the "Florida Outpouring".

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PASTOR STRADER'S LETTER TO ME FOLLOWS:

Jon

I'm very sorry... I just don't have the time to answer all of your questions or concerns...

I guarantee that if you had three A/G pastors in a room, somebody would be in disagreement with something one of the other two is doing.

This is NOT about the A/G or Todd or me... this is a God thing... I don't "own it" nor can I "control it"

I think the mistakes of the A/G is that they "threw out the baby with the bath water" when they renounced the "latter rain" outpouring. I think they made "blanket statements" that condemned the whole bunch because of a few "bad apples"...

None of us wants to make that same mistake again.

The A/G made those statements "years" after the movement was started... today is only day 55... do you understand that WE don't even understand what is happening???

Todd and I have discussed many doctrinal "adjustments" that he has made over his ten years of ministry -- just like any man of God -- he is constantly adjusting...

as of TODAY -- Todd has said or done nothing that is in direct conflict with any A/G doctrine. He has had "guests" on the platform that would not be acceptable, but "those guests" are just "guests" and Todd and myself are leading this as best we can.

Have you ever watched Fox News have a "panel debate" over a "speech" given by the President??? Those speeches have been "thought out" worked on by specialists... lawyers... politicians... etc... EVERYTHING we are doing on that stage is PURE SPONTANEOUS... it's like trying to "ride a bull"...

There are been many mistakes... we make adjustments and get back on the bull the next day... PLEASE -- PRAY FOR US -- this is NOT the time to "dissect" this or "analyze this"... We need your prayers and encouragement.

Do you remember when the hurricane hit New Orleans? You had people DEMANDING to know "why" there were people in the super dome not being cared for... they wanted answers... that wasn't the time to ask "why"... it was TIME TO GET THEM HELP...

We need HELP... not questions...

Stephen Strader
pastor@ignitedchurch.com
www.ignitedchurch.com


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"Wait and See" what fruit Todd Bentley bears? The "Gamaliel Approach"

This is a wonderful article from EndTimesPropheticWords addressing all (including Dr. George Wood and Pastor Stephen Strader) who would say "lets just wait and see what fruit Todd bears or what miracles are done at the Lakeland "Florida Outpouring".

The bottom line is this;
"Wait and See" is a foolish and unbiblical position to take!

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‘The Gamaliel Approach’ has been quoted a lot about the Lakeland Outpouring, to justify not speaking out about or criticising or ‘judging’ this movement and the doctrine and spirits behind it. The approach has frequently been posted into comments on this site, and on other forum boards, claiming to be the voice of ‘wisdom’ and ‘reason’. Even Jack Hayford, who should know a lot better, recently quoted Gamaliel’s words as a basis for his approach to spiritual discernment.

Although I wrote how the Gamaliel Approach is not scriptural in an article about Jack Hayford’s statement on Lakeland here:, I am reposting the Gamaliel Approach as an individual post as it is brought up so often by so many people. It needs to be vigorously refuted because it just ain’t scriptural!

The Gamaliel Position - a scriptural position or not? eg: currently understood re Lakeland as - Leave Todd Bentley and his ministry and movement alone, do not assess it or criticise it or take action about it, and if it is not of God it will die out by itself in time and fail.

Let’s look at what scripture says within context about who Gamaliel was, what Gamaliel actually said, and what he actually meant when he said the now oft-quoted words. Let’s also look at what Gamaliel did after speaking these words.
“When they heard this, they were furious and wanted to put them (the apostles) to death. But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while. Then he addressed them: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God. ” (Acts 5:33-39)

Firstly, and most importantly, we see that Gamaliel was not a Christian, he was a zealous Jew opposed to Christianity on the persecutor’s side. Though he may well have trained Saul/Paul, remember Saul/Paul zealously killed Christians before he converted and later on looked back and considered himself an evil man and an enemy of God! Gamaliel may have taught Saul/Paul the law BUT it was Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit that showed Paul the truth and opened his eyes to it, not Gamaliel. The law brought death, and the Spirit brought life. Gamaliel was not inspired by the Holy Spirit and a friend of God, but Paul later was. So to quote and promote Gamaliel’s words, is to quote a zealous religiously blind persecutor and enemy of God, not an enlightened friend to the truth.

There is no evidence that what Gamaliel said was either scripturally sound or inspired by the Holy Spirit. Though his words are recorded in scripture, this does not mean them to be either right, wise or godly. God used what Gamaliel said to rescue the apostles from death, certainly, but it does not mean that his speech is therefore applicable and useful in any other contexts - especially when assessing Lakeland.

What Gamaliel said is not even true in a wider context, for if we examine religious or political movements through history, we find many not of God have prospered from the world’s perspective, as has evil in general prospered. Look at the Roman Catholic church! Look at the Mormon Church! Look at the Moonies! Look at Scientology! The list goes on and on and on by human perspective. Indeed, even Gamaliel’s movement that was opposed to God lived on and persecuted and killed many of the saints! So Gamaliel’s words, as well as coming from an enemy of God and not being scriptural, are not logical or true in the context Lakeland supporters apply them.

Then go to the next verse, verse 40. ‘His speech persuaded them. They called the apostles in and had them flogged. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.’

Gamaliel had the apostles flogged and ordered the apostles not to speak in the name of Jesus. This is the verse Jack Hayford and others conveniently ignore, for if Gamaliel was moved by the Spirit of God and was wise and prophetic, then we have to say the following action was right to! But it was clearly not right or godly - it was the actions of a religious persecutor who did not know the truth, and sought rather to suppress and silence it. So Gamaliel’s words come from an enemy of God who persecutes and silences the truth and the followers of the truth, and the words are not scriptural, not prophetic, not logical and not true.

It is also clear to me that Gamaliel did not think the apostles to be of God, or that he could be fighting against God by opposing them - nor did he even harbour any doubts as to the possibility this was so - because of the other people and failed rebellions and uprisings he compared them to, and also what happened subsequently with him having them flogged and silenced. He was using a form of logic to make a point, he was not really saying ‘IF these men are of God’, as for him there was no IF.

So again, Gamaliel had made up his mind about the apostles and their way - he was not in any doubt as to it. If he was in any doubt and was ‘waiting and seeing’ their fruit, he would not have dared to publicly flog or silence them. So Gamaliel’s words come from an enemy of God and persecutor, his words are not scriptural, not logical, not prophetic and not true, they come from someone who had already made up his mind as to the spiritual identity and the truth of the men he ‘judged’, and his words are currently used out of context as they’re not applicable for a situation where there is the possibility of any doubt on this matter!

To use Gamaliel’s expression then so completely out of context is theologically illiterate and unjustifiable as well as illogical. It cannot rightly be applied to Lakeland by any stretch of the imagination.

Next, we need to realize that Gamaliel when talking about leaving the apostles ‘alone’, was speaking in the context of not having them killed. He was not talking about not speaking up about these men or judging or weighing up their theology as he had already done that. Because he had ‘judged them’, he took action by ordering them to be quiet about Jesus and punished them!

So if we truly take Gamaliel’s approach, we order Todd Bentley to be silent and publicly flog him for heresy! But I do not think Jack Hayford or any Todd Bentley supporters mean that - but they should -- if they use Gamaliel as an example to uphold and a role model.

So Gamaliel’s words come from an enemy of God and persecutor, his words are not scriptural, not logical, not prophetic and not true, they are not applicable for a situation where there is any doubt, and if we follow them to the letter we should actually take action, speak up and silence and punish the false prophets and teachers (albeit not kill them). Gamaliel took action (albeit he discerned and judged wrongly), he did NOT sit on the fence to wait and see!

The Bible makes it abundantly clear that the church should not take a laissez-faire leave alone approach to false doctrine or false apostles or false prophets. It says that the church should vigorously work to keep from false doctrine and false spirits and false apostles infecting it by testing and weighing and judging as previously discussed. It should be on guard and its watchmen and shepherds must do their job and ensure stuff does not creep in unawares. When bad stuff is found within, it must be dealt with and ‘judged’ ruthlessly. When false servants are found, or unrepentant sincere heretics, we are ordered not to associate with such men or allow them to get to the flock.

The Gamaliel ‘wait and see’ ’sit on the fence’ approach is sadly not biblical, and it is partly thanks to shepherds and followers that quote this that the church is in such an apostate state as it is today. By the time the church at large wakes up, if ever, to Todd Bentley and his schemes and resounds the warnings, well it will be too late for many as the damage will be done. The biblical attitude to discernment is not of Gamaliel - either in its true or distorted form.

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JUST IN: Dr. George O. Wood's Official Statement concerning Lakeland

I just received a response to my Open Letter from Assemblies of God General Superintendent Dr. George O. Wood. Unfortunately, like Pastor Kilpatrick District Superintendent Terry Raburn, and Pastor Strader before him, he has provided NO ANSWERS to the pertinent questions, and has instead decided to leave the Assemblies of God people to themselves and their lovely golden calf without coming down off of his "mountain" to give them God's Word on the subject!

God has ALREADY hand-written the answers to the Lakeland question...

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...in stone. And the Assemblies of God is actually carrying it around the desert yet refusing to follow God's Word commanding them to ignore the false prophets. Yet Dr. Wood would prefer to "wait and see" if those who have crafted some glittery strange God and placed it in front of millions of God's people is "not of God"!

Why would he decide not to lead his people? Is he deceived himself? Or is he just "too busy" to concern himself with a worldwide "move of God"?

I guess we can just forget about upper-level concern and guidance in this matter.

I guess we can assume they have just dumped the wisdom and guidance of those godly men and women before them and have decided that the General Council statements of 1949 and 2000 condemning Todd Bentley's doctrines and teachings were worthless.

I guess we can assume that in 8 short years, the organization has degenerated to a "point of no return" to the Official Positions they once held!

The head of the Assemblies of God organization, the head of the Florida District, and the Pastor of the host-church all say "wait and see" without concern regarding the Word of God or the souls involved.

While the local AoG pastors and individual members decide to chase after the false-teaching "spirit of revival" in Lakeland, Florida, I pray that they can find the Scriptures through the sewage piled on top of it.

If no one in the organization will rise up and "judge those inside the church" to be idolotors and swindlers, it will be up to people like us, outside the organization, to continue to forward information about Mr. Bentley to our Assembly of God friends an continue to post the Truth and PRAY that some of the lowly AG church members (who might stand for God's Word) will find it.

So to every Assembly of God pastor, leader, teacher, or member who decides to refuse to bow down and worship the popular calf, PLEASE contact Dr. George Wood and voice your concerns NOW. And for those who would prefer to remain anonymous and yet voice your concerns, e-mail me and I will forward your message anonymously directly to Dr. Wood.

I look forward to your comments.

Dr. Wood's letter follows:

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Thank you for your email. I have been in Korea and Portugal the past two weeks – in Korea for the retirement of Dr. Cho and the 50th anniversary of his church; and in Portugal for the World Assemblies of God Congress. I have not been following events in Lakeland.

Historically, the General Council has always been slow to respond to comments about particular revivals or personalities. We tend very much to trust the discernment and maturity of our Assemblies of God people.

There are elements in any revival that invite criticism – certainly the Azusa St. Revival itself was not immune from excesses. However, with the judgment of time, we now see how effective that revival was.

Other revivals turned out only to be so-called revivals – and they left nothing fruitful in their wake.

When and if it seems appropriate for my office to release a statement regarding what is happening in Lakeland, I will do it first through communicating directly with the pastor of the church.

My lack of a statement on this matter at this moment should not be interpreted as a lack of concern; but more of a desire to not make a hasty or premature judgment. We are told in Scripture to test all things and hold fast that which is good, and we will endeavor to do that.

Blessings to you!

George Wood

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Monday, May 26, 2008

Are you hungry & thirsty for more of God?....Why?

The Israelites were thirsty...


Exodus 17:3-7
But the people were thirsty for water there, and they grumbled against Moses. They said, "Why did you bring us up out of Egypt to make us and our children and livestock die of thirst?" Then Moses cried out to the LORD, "What am I to do with these people? They are almost ready to stone me." The LORD answered Moses, "Walk on ahead of the people. Take with you some of the elders of Israel and take in your hand the staff with which you struck the Nile, and go. I will stand there before you by the rock at Horeb. Strike the rock, and water will come out of it for the people to drink." So Moses did this in the sight of the elders of Israel. And he called the place Massah and Meribah because the Israelites quarreled and because they tested the LORD saying, "Is the LORD among us or not?"

Their thirst was a spiritual thirst for Christ...

I Corinthians 10:1-4
For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact,....

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...brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

The Israelites were hungry...

Exodus 16:2-4
In the desert the whole community grumbled against Moses and Aaron. The Israelites said to them, "If only we had died by the LORD's hand in Egypt! There we sat around pots of meat and ate all the food we wanted, but you have brought us out into this desert to starve this entire assembly to death." Then the LORD said to Moses, "I will rain down bread from heaven for you. The people are to go out each day and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions.

Their hunger was a spiritual hunger for Christ...

John 6:32-40
Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world." Then they said to Him, "Lord, give us this bread always."

And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."


Luke 6:21
Blessed are you who HUNGER now, For you SHALL BE FILLED. Blessed are you who weep now, For you shall laugh.

This was BEFORE Jesus died and rose again. He knew what was ahead.

John 7:37-39
On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Are you "thirsty for more of God"?

John 4:10-14
Jesus answered and said to her, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." The woman said to Him, "Sir, You have nothing to draw with, and the well is deep. Where then do You get that living water?

Are You greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank from it himself, as well as his sons and his livestock?" Jesus answered and said to her, "Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life."

John 6:53-58
Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed.

He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him
. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread WILL LIVE FOREVER."

Do we NEED MORE than what Christ has already given us?


Joh 3:27-29 ...John replied, "A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. You yourselves can testify that I said, 'I am not the Christ but am sent ahead of him.' The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom's voice. That joy is mine, and it is now COMPLETE.


Colossians 2:8-10
Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are COMPLETE IN HIM, who is the head of all principality and power.

Romans 5:17-19
For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

Romans 6:20-23
For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord

Matthew 5:6
Blessed are those who HUNGER and THIRST for righteousness, For they shall be FILLED.

Romans 8:10-11
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

II Peter 1:1-4
Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who HAVE OBTAINED like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us ALL things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.


I John 5:9-13
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.

And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life,and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.


John 14:15-18
If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Romans 8:21-4
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man,in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met (to finish, accomplish, satisfy)in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

God HAS ALREADY GIVEN us eternal life, the power of God through the gospel of Christ, freedom from sin and death, righteousness through Christ, His mercy, peace, joy, grace, the Spirit of Truth that dwells with us forever, all things that pertain to life and Godliness,and He gave us HIS ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST

When you ask for more of something, you are saying that what was given to you is not good enough, and that it did not satisfy you.

What "more" do you want?
What MORE do you really NEED.


In Christ,
KDS

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JUST IN: Stephen Strader's Official Statement Concerning Lakeland

Ignited Church (Assembly of God) Pastor Stephen Strader has just responded to my Open Letter.

I am unable at the moment to post my commentary on Pastor Strader's response to my letter but it will be coming shortly. Until then, feel free to comment with your thoughts. And subscribe by e-mail or feed to make sure you get updates on this important issue. Pastor Strader asked for prayer and I believe we should all oblige him. Pray for him. Pray for Todd Bentley. And pray or continue to pray for all involved and the thousands of people who are being led into deception by way of the "Florida Outpouring".

Below is Pastor Strader's Official Response. Following his reponse is the letter I sent him.


Jon

I'm very sorry... I just don't have the time to answer all of your questions or concerns...

I guarantee that if you had three A/G pastors in a room, somebody would be in disagreement with something one of the other two is doing.

This is NOT about the A/G or Todd or me... this is a God thing... I don't "own it" nor can I "control it"

I think the mistakes of the A/G is that...

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...they "threw out the baby with the bath water" when they renounced the "latter rain" outpouring. I think they made "blanket statements" that condemned the whole bunch because of a few "bad apples"...

None of us wants to make that same mistake again.

The A/G made those statements "years" after the movement was started... today is only day 55... do you understand that WE don't even understand what is happening???

Todd and I have discussed many doctrinal "adjustments" that he has made over his ten years of ministry -- just like any man of God -- he is constantly adjusting...

as of TODAY -- Todd has said or done nothing that is in direct conflict with any A/G doctrine. He has had "guests" on the platform that would not be acceptable, but "those guests" are just "guests" and Todd and myself are leading this as best we can.

Have you ever watched Fox News have a "panel debate" over a "speech" given by the President??? Those speeches have been "thought out" worked on by specialists... lawyers... politicians... etc... EVERYTHING we are doing on that stage is PURE SPONTANEOUS... it's like trying to "ride a bull"...

There are been many mistakes... we make adjustments and get back on the bull the next day... PLEASE -- PRAY FOR US -- this is NOT the time to "dissect" this or "analyze this"... We need your prayers and encouragement.

Do you remember when the hurricane hit New Orleans? You had people DEMANDING to know "why" there were people in the super dome not being cared for... they wanted answers... that wasn't the time to ask "why"... it was TIME TO GET THEM HELP...

We need HELP... not questions...

Stephen Strader
pastor@ignitedchurch.com
www.ignitedchurch.com


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BELOW IS THE LETTER PASTOR STRADER IS RESPONDING TO ABOVE.


Pastor Stephen Strader,


I am in the process of determining the Assemblies of God current position concerning previous Official Statements and their official view of Todd Bentley. Out of 5 letters I have sent (to Dr. George Wood, Terry Raburn, Steve Hill, John Kilpatrick and AG Public Relations Director Keith Surface) I have only received a response from Pastor John Kilpatrick. But I am not satisfied with his statement as it answers no questions concerning Todd Bentley's doctrine and what the Assemblies of God congregations should do with it. (i.e., ignore it, condemn it, or support it)

I've been in church all of my life. Every minister I have ever known took such a high view of doctrine and their ministry/pulpit responsibilities that they would never allow ANYONE to preach from their pulpit without first finding out what they believe. Yet (as one of our commenters believed) John Kilpatrick, at least, was "reverse-duped" and tricked into speaking at Todd Bentley's pulpit without knowing HIS doctrine.

Pastor Kilpatrick issued this statement in response to my e-mail about the Lakeland Revival:

I, John Kilpatrick, went down to Todd Bentley’s meetings, the Florida Outpouring, and gave my blessing to revival. I made it clear that I didn’t know Todd, his doctrinal belief nor who he is affiliated with, if anyone. To me, doctrine is very important. It always has been and it always will be. It is the infrastructure that a move of God runs on. You can not separate a man from his doctrine.

The purpose of my going to Lakeland was to bless what God was doing. I continue to champion and pray that it stands the test of time.

John A. Kilpatrick

My concern is, how could Pastor Kilpatrick, a man who claims to holds doctrine so highly, (and I believe he does) do something like stand in front of possibly millions of people to bless Todd Bentley and the "Florida Outpouring" as a man and move of God?

Also, how can you, in maintaining an Assemblies of God church, host, sponsor, and support Todd Bentley and his unbiblical (as the Assemblies of God have previously declared) ministry?

In the end there are only three options I can see why Pastors John Kilpatrick and Steve Hill and yourself might stand in front of possibly millions of people to bless Todd Bentley and the "Florida Outpouring"...

(1) You (they) are going against the AoG Position Papers and over 50 years of refusing to support the Latter Rain movement by the Assemblies of God thus accepting the "Latter Rain" doctrines of Todd Bentley.

(2) You (they) do NOT hold doctrine or the issue of another man's "doctrine" nearly as highly as you (they) should (and which Pastor Kilpatrick's response says he does). At least not high enough to check out Todd Bentley's doctrine in advance of hosting, sponsoring, supporting and appearing on stage with him.

(3) You (they) were drugged, kidnapped, led to the revival by force, and forced to host Todd Bentley and to speak and pray on that stage.

I want to believe Pastor Kilpatrick when he says that he holds doctrine in high regard, but I can't when he was thoughtless enough to put himself in front of the world (on satellite camera) to say "This is a move of God..." and "I bless you (Todd) in Jesus' name, that this thing (Todd's revival) would go worldwide" when Todd Bentley's doctrine is so completely unbiblical.

I have also heard you spend a great deal of time on television and internet video defending Todd Bentley and this revival as a move of God. The only problem is that you can't defend that position by scripture.

Pastor Kilpatrick said in his statement to me that doctrine "is the infrastructure that a move of God runs on. You can not separate a man from his doctrine." I agree. But there has been easy-to-find, ample evidence documented about Todd Bentley's doctrines and "Latter Rain" associations for quite some time and they should have alarmed all of you to the truth.

This statement sounds to me like Pastor Kilpatrick is attempting to say that he knew NOTHING of Todd Bentley's doctrine...and that's my point!

And that's why he, yourself, Pastor Steve Hill, Terry Raburn, and Dr. George Wood should now "fess up" to the worldwide members of Assembly of God churches and say:
"I made a mistake. I was duped. (if applicable) I do not support Todd Bentley's ministry. I stand with the Assemblies of God General Council of 1949 and the Resolution 16 Position Papers in taking a bold stand against any of Todd Bentley's "Latter Rain/Joel's Army" doctrines. And I, Steve Hill & John Kilpatrick were wrong to go on his stage, support him, promote him and host him."

And it is time NOW for the Assemblies of God to pull themselves OUT of this unbiblical movement that is claiming to be "of God" yet is mixed and mingled with heresies and heretics, false prophecies and false prophets, false teachings and false teachers, and worst of all, a leader who (by his own words) makes Jesus Christ of less concern than the "the supernatural"... and He says God told him to do it!

Or maybe you, Pastor Strader are a full Todd Bentley/Latter Rain supporter. If so, I believe you should "fess up" to the worldwide members of Assembly of God churches that you have accepted as authentic that which the Assemblies of God has historically called unbiblical. Then the many who still hold dearly the Holy Word of God and the past godly resolutions of the Assemblies of God can have a final word. Until you make a statement, tens of thousands of your members are confused. This revival DOES NOT line up with scripture, its leader DOES NOT line up with scripture, his mentors, BOB JONES, JACK COE, WILLIAM BRANHAM, A.A. ALLEN etc. etc., who DO NOT line up with scripture, and, some of which, the Assemblies of God have in the past refused to associate with, or the Assemblies of God have taken away AG credentials from.

The Assembly of God congregations and pastors MUST know where you stand in relation to Todd Bentley, because he is basically saying "What the AG formerly said is false. These are men of God! These are moves of God! These are the words of God!" etc, etc,

The Assembly of God congregations and pastors MUST know where you stand in relation to Todd Bentley so they can decide whether they will go along with the NEW Assemblies of God, or continue to agree with the OLD Assemblies of God and deem it unbiblical, and get out.

I only have two questions and I would like you to answer them in response to this e-mail...





1. Do you, Stephen Strader agree with and stand behind the official statements of the Assemblies of God General Councils of 1949 and in Resolution 16 at General Council 2000 concerning the Latter Rain movement and End Time Revival, which both condemned the Latter Rain movement and its doctrines as unbiblical?

These doctrines include:
• The overemphasis on identifying, bestowing, or imparting spiritual gifts by the laying on of hands and naming, supposedly by prophecy, specific gifts.
• The problematic teaching that present-day offices of apostles and prophets should govern church ministry at all levels. and "The erroneous teaching that the church is built on the foundation of present-day apostles and prophets"
• "The extreme teaching... of confession of sin to man and deliverance as practiced, which claims prerogatives to human agency which belongs only to Christ"
• The practice of imparting or imposing personal leadings by means of gifts of utterance.
• Wresting and distorting Scripture through interpretations that are in opposition to the primary meaning of biblical passages.
• Kingdom Now or Dominion theology.
• Manifest Sons of God and Joel’s Army
• Spiritualizing Biblical Events and History
• The Prosperity Gospel
• Birthing
• Generational Curses
• Excessive fixation on Satan and demonic spirits
• Excessive Fascination With Physical "Manifestations

[ ] I AGREE with the statements of AGGC (1949 and 2000) concerning the Latter Rain Movement and End-Time Revival.
[ ] I DISAGREE with the statements of AGGC (1949 and 2000) concerning the Latter Rain Movement and End-Time Revival.





2. Do you, Stephen Strader, officially consider Todd Bentley's doctrines and ministry (as documented in his many teachings, videos etc) as straight (II Timothy 2:15), and consistently in line with the Word of God?

[ ] I believe Todd Bentley's doctrines and ministry are BIBLICAL
[ ] I believe Todd Bentley's doctrines and ministry are IN ERROR




Two simple questions. I would be satisfied and would have no further questions for you if I could get you to answer those two simple questions.
And I believe that the entire Assemblies of God denomination deserves to hear those answers so that they may be led out of confusion!

I eagerly await your response. If I do not receive one within 72 hours I will take it upon myself to begin a campaign and will do all I can to get the word out about the contradictions of the National Headquarters from 1948, to 2000, to today, to the AG churches and pastors of the world so they can make an informed, biblical decision about Todd Bentley.

I sincerely hope you decide to clear this question up for me, for all of my readers, and for the world, even though you will be criticized by some. And I sincerely hope you are still willing to "wear that criticism gladly as a sign of fidelity to Christ" like you said you would at General Council in 2000!


In Christ,

Jon Sharp

blog.thewaycf.com

P.S. This letter and any response I receive from you will be posted at my blog site.
Also archived are the previous articles and letters I have written.

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