Sunday, March 8, 2009

DAVID WILKERSON: Is this a true Word from God?

David Wilkerson yesterday posted an "URGENT MESSAGE" to all on his mailing list, "and to friends and to bishops we have met all over the world" You can read the entire message at David Wilkerson's Blog

He stated "AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE - EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US."

I risk making many people mad, but I must declare this "prophecy" to be unbiblical, failing to follow biblical New Testament prophecy examples. It therefore fails to pass the "testing" that we are commanded to perform. (Deut. 13, Galatians 1:89, Acts 17:10-12, I John 4:1)I do NOT say that it will not happen... only that I do not accept it as a word from God. Remember that false prophets can...

...have prophecies come to pass and do miracles, but this does not mean that the words they speak are from God.

Let's start with a couple of scriptures from Acts. Remember the first story of Agabus in Acts 11:28-30?

"Then one of them, named Agabus, stood up and showed by the Spirit that there was going to be a great famine throughout all the world, which also happened in the days of Claudius Caesar. Then the disciples, each according to his ability, determined to send relief to the brethren dwelling in Judea. This they also did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul."

Notice: the NT prophet Agabus never gave guidance, suggestions or requirements for action... also notice the response of the disciples to the prophecy... their focus immediately turned to others. Bro. Wilkerson's "prophecy" is very self-focused ("Store up 30 days of food", "We are going to tremble" "We are under God's Wrath", etc.)

Also Remember Acts 21:10-14 - the second account about Agabus...
"As we were staying there for some days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. And coming to us, he took Paul's belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, "This is what the Holy Spirit says: 'In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.'"
When we had heard this, we as well as the local residents began begging him not to go up to Jerusalem. Then Paul answered, "What are you doing, weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be bound, but even to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus." And since he would not be persuaded, we fell silent, remarking, "The will of the Lord be done!"

Note: Again, the NT prophet gave no guidance, suggestions or requirements for action... otherwise it would be instructional... a Word from God that MUST BE OBEYED. Agabus gave no instruction and although others in the body begged Paul not to go to Jerusalem, he went anyway, ready to die for Jesus regardless of what the prophet foretold.


Bro Wilkerson wrote: "I am compelled by the Holy Spirit to send out an urgent message to all on our mailing list, and to friends and to bishops we have met all over the world." I ask... shouldn't he get on secular stations, billboards, magazines, etc. to proclaim this prophecy? Or is it the Christians who need to the urgent warning? Later he seems to speak of the hope we have in God, so I'm confused who this is prophecy is for!


He then wrote: "There will be riots and fires in cities worldwide. There will be looting—including Times Square, New York City. What we are experiencing now is not a recession, not even a depression. We are under God’s wrath."

IF BY "WE", HE MEANS THE CHURCH, THIS IS UNBIBLICAL, THE CHURCH WILL NEVER BE UNDER GOD'S WRATH - DEFINITELY PERSECUTION, DEFINITELY TRIBULATION, DEFINITELY TRIALS... BUT IF WE ARE IN CHRIST, NEVER GOD'S WRATH!

The prophecy continues... "In Psalm 11:3 it is written, “If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?”."

NOTE: THIS VERSE DOES NOT SAY OR MEAN "IF GOD DESTROYS THE FOUNDATIONS" which is what brother Wilkerson implies later. In the Psalm, David was stating the fact the WE have no abilities, so we take refuge in God. Bro Wilkerson sounds confused... mixing a message of fear of secular doom with his hope of refuge. Either we are covered, protected, provided for and saved, or not. Shouldn't we be proclaiming "WHOM SHALL I FEAR"? as Psalm 27 teaches.

Brother Wilkerson then continues: God is judging the raging sins of America and the nations. He is destroying the secular foundations.

NOTE: THIS IS A "STATEMENT OF FACT" THAT MAKES ME WORRY ABOUT BRO WILKERSON AGAIN - HE HAS FAILED TOO MANY "PROPHECIES" (IN FACT, ONE FAIL IS TOO MANY) AND YET HE KEEPS ON TRYING TO FORETELL. IF I FOLLOW DEUTERONOMY, THE BIBLE TELLS ME TO IGNORE HIM! I LOVE HIS MESSAGES OF SIN AND REPENTANCE BUT HIS MESSAGES EVENTUALLY GO TOWARD PROPHECY)

The prophecy goes on... "The prophet Jeremiah pleaded with wicked Israel, “God is fashioning a calamity against you and devising a plan against you. Oh, turn back each of you from your evil way, and reform your ways and deeds. But they will say, It’s hopeless! For we are going to follow our own plans, and each of us will act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart” (Jeremiah 18:11-12).

So it seems at this point, since he brought up this verse given to "wicked Israel", that he is trying to reach the apostate body of Christ? Why then is he trying to warn "friends", "bishops" and people on his mailing list?

The prophecy continues... "In Psalm 11:6, David warns, “Upon the wicked he will rain snares (coals of fire)…fire…burning wind…will be the portion of their cup.” Why? David answered, “Because the Lord is righteous” (v. 7). This is a righteous judgment—just as in the judgments of Sodom and in Noah’s generation."

Righteous Judgment when?... NOW OR IN THE COMING DAYS?
Righteous Judgment on whom?... ON "THEM" OR ON "US"?

IF "NOW" or "US", he is sadly mistaken and agaisnt the Bible.
IF "COMING" or "THEM", WE ALREADY HAVE THE BIBLE TO TELL US ALL ABOUT IT and we don't need the so-called prophecy.

Brother Wilkerson then asks: "WHAT SHALL THE RIGHTEOUS DO? WHAT ABOUT GOD’S PEOPLE?
First, I give you a practical word I received for my own direction."


DIRECTION FROM WHO?
IF FROM GOD, WHY WAS THIS FOR "HIS OWN DIRECTION" AND NOT FOR THE ENTIRE BODY?...
IF IT WAS NOT FROM GOD, WHO CARES ABOUT THIS PROPHECY AT ALL?

Brother Wilkerson's "direction" - or "guidance" - or "suggestion"
- or "requirement for action" is this: "If possible lay in store a thirty-day supply of non-perishable food, toiletries and other essentials. In major cities, grocery stores are emptied in an hour at the sign of an impending disaster." If this is a Word from God for Him alone then he must obey or he is sinning. Yet he gives it as a "word" so if we do not obey God's word, we sin, too!

THIS IS A CALL TO TRUST IN OURSELVES. CALL ME A FOOL IF YOU LIKE, BUT I WOULD RATHER RISK TRUSTING GOD FOR TODAY ONLY, NOT WORRYING ABOUT TOMORROW, AS I'M INSTRUCTED BY JESUS IN MATTHEW 6:34.

He then offers only two options for dealing with this prophecy: "As for our spiritual reaction, we have but two options."

I have two biblical options that are different from Brother Wilkerson's: IGNORE IT OR OBEY IT... IF IT IS A TRUE PROPHECY (WORD OF GOD), WE SIN IF WE IGNORE IT.

IN THE END, WILKERSON IS SIMPLY SAYING "STORE FOOD" AND "TRUST IN GOD". SO WHICH IS IT? Matthew 6:31 "Do not worry then, saying, 'What will we eat?' or 'What will we drink?' or 'What will we wear for clothing?' For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.


Now don't get me wrong. I sincerely believe America is in some MAJOR TROUBLE. But even so, the ONLY USE this prophecy should have for a Christian (IF TRUE) should be as encouragement to do what Jesus commanded us to do.
(1)TRUST HIM TO PROVIDE,
(2)OBEY IN HIS COMMAND TO PREACH THE GOSPEL, TEACHING AND MAKING DISCIPLES.
(3)CARE FOR THE PEOPLE OF HIS CHURCH.

That's exactly what happened in Acts following Agabus' similar prophecy. Yet, Agabus never tried to give guidance concerning his prophesies, otherwise Paul would have sinned in ignoring his, and the apostles would have sinned had they ignored theirs.

Like Paul, I'm ready to die for Christ's sake.

What use does this "prophecy" really fill but to warn FALSE CONVERTS the 10,000th time that God's wrath is coming. If they've ignored the Gospel of the Bible all their lives, they'll definitely ignore this confused "prophecy" from David Wilkerson. As we are instructed in Deuteronomy, IF ONE PART IS UNBIBLICAL, THE WHOLE THING SHOULD BE TRASHED!

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12 comments:

Jon@TheWay said...

EXTRA: I would also like to point out the CONFUSION and QUESTIONING (within the so-called "church") that brother Wilkerson's message has caused! Hundreds of hits to this page came from people asking GOOGLE if David Wilkerson is a false prophet!!! Why can't these same Christians rightly divide the truth by measuring Wilkerson's words to GOD'S WORD instead of Google's Word...? Let calamity and destruction come tomorrow and I will still say that Brother Wilkerson's prophecy is not Biblically God's Word because God's Word says to ignore him based on his past failed prophecies. Calamity is PROMISED in the Bible. Only God knows when. If you are IN CHRIST, you have no need of worrying about tomorrow. Call me a fool... but that's what the TRUE Word of God told me!

Anonymous said...

Wasn't Joseph told to store up food in Genesis?? Wilkerson is recommending a 30 days supply not a celler full of food. Your comment on obeying the Word of laying in a 30 day supply of food or sinning is twisting what he said.

Wilkerson has risked his life many times to bring God's Word to others such as he did with the gangs of New York. His life has been dedicated to God and God has used him mightily

Have you read his book 'The Vision'? This was written in 1973 when these things he said were unthinkable. Most have already happened. Check out the recent TV program Family Guy. I did not see it but saw clips of it and it is just one type of event he warned about. In a times of prosperity he warned about major economic problems. God warns us ahead of time, sometimes decades and sometimes only a short time ahead of the event.

Wilkerson preaches Jesus, salvation and repentance. He is a true man of God which is a rare thing today. This prophecy should be heeded or at least respected instead of picked apart as you have done. You claim to be confused but you are being critical. Love and grace are god's gifts to us. Please remember you are not exempt.

Jon@TheWay said...

You said "Wasn't Joseph told to store up food in Genesis??"

No. Joseph was NOT told (by God or anyone else) to store up food. If anything, Joseph did what David Wilkerson did... He gave "advice" to Pharaoh to "store up food"... God NEVER said to do it. The difference between Joseph and David Wilkerson is that Pharoah's dream (from God) showed him specifically what would happen... and Joseph reacted to that. Wilkerson's "word" has shown him no specifics, except "1000 fires". (GOD'S WORDS TO THE PROPHETS WERE ALWAYS SPECIFIC, EVEN IF NOT FULLY UNDERSTOOD) When God wants us to react to His Word, He makes sure we CAN! If you want to parallel Wilkerson to that story, he would be the Pharaoh who had a dream, but no understanding. Joseph (the "man of God") had the specifics... WITH the benefit of not ever having been a "false prophet".

You said "Wilkerson has risked his life many times to bring God's Word to others such as he did with the gangs of New York. His life has been dedicated to God and God has used him mightily."

I sincerely thank God for his work as well.. but so what? Does that make His "prophecy" true? If something "big" happens, does THAT make his prophecy true? No... he has already FAILED the "true prophet" test!

You said "Have you read his book 'The Vision'? This was written in 1973 when these things he said were unthinkable. Most have already happened. Check out the recent TV program Family Guy. I did not see it but saw clips of it and it is just one type of event he warned about. In a times of prosperity he warned about major economic problems. God warns us ahead of time, sometimes decades and sometimes only a short time ahead of the event."

God warned us THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO about ALL of this "calamity"!

As for his book, it was pragmatically CLEAR in 1973 the direction the USA and the World was headed.

The Kinsey Sexuality Reports of the late 40's and early 50's affected the sexual and moral ideals of a generation and resulted in the "free love" and "casual sex" ideals of the 60's and 70's.

In 1968 pornography was declared legal for use "in the privacy of your home" by the Supreme Court. SEXUAL IMMORALITY WILL BE PUNISHED

Nixon dumped the gold standard in 1971 -- ECONOMIC FAILURE is certain when NOTHING backs paper currency.

Roe Vs. Wade occurred in 1973... A nation that passes LEGAL MURDER is doomed.

It goes on and on...
I don't think I care to let "Family Guy" prove God's Word! But if one wanted to try, one could have likely "proven" pragmatically all that Wilkerson wrote in his book by watching "All in The Family" the same year he wrote it!

The Biblical requirements for a prophet are NOT that his "words" come true! But that ALL of his "Words from God", impressions from the Holy Spirit, messages from Jesus, god-given visions, etc COME TRUE AND LINE UP WITH SCRIPTURE.
David Wilkerson has already failed

I did not argue that Wilkerson doesn't preach Jesus, salvation and repentance. (But so did Jim Jones at one time, so we obviously can't use THAT evidence to say He's a "true prophet")

You said: "This prophecy should be heeded or at least respected instead of picked apart as you have done."

So "the Word of God" can rightly be only "at least respected?" Does the God of "Obedience is better than Sacrifice" change. Did he not REQUIRE that all of his Words to the Prophets be obeyed? My point is not that we are under OT requirements of the LAW, but that God never changes and IF GOD SPEAKS... HE REQUIRES THAT WE HEAR AND HEED HIS WORDS!

Sir...We ARE COMMANDED to "pick apart" or "test" any and all claimed prophecies or "Words from God" (I Thess 5:21) The only way to do that is using scripture which I have done. (II Tim 3:16-17)

You said " Love and grace are god's gifts to us. Please remember you are not exempt."

You mean in the same way that God was loving and graceful to the false prophets?

Anonymous said...

Your answer is not worth the energy it takes to reply in a defensive way. You seem to twist everything to fit whatever point you want to make.

Yes, God was loving and graceful to false prophets. However I am refering to the fact that he wants US to be loving and graceful to each other, even those we do not agree with or that hurt us. We can only do that in God's power as we are incapable of doing this on our own.

Jim Jones may have preached Jesus but it was not the real Jesus. Men and women have killed their own children in what they claim is the name of Jesus. Jesus is the Lamb God sent so we can know God and have God's love in us.

This word from Dave Wilkerson is not something that should spark fear in anyone who loves God. We can seek God in a deeper way and prepare ourselves for anything that is to come. No matter what happens God is there for those who love him and he brings deep joy.

Jon@TheWay said...

1) What (seriously,... what?) did I twist to make a point?
The fact is that you misused the story of Joseph to make it fit Wilkerson's "prophecy"? I twisted nothing.

2)MY point was that NO... God was NOT loving and graceful to the false prophets. He said to ignore them. Or kill them if they turned his people away from Him to other Gods. Deuteronomy 13 & 18. (I'm not implying we are to kill anyone... that's a whole different lesson) New Testament teaching tells us to ignore them because we in the last days are spoken to through His Son, Jesus... no longer through the Old Testament-type of prophets who spoke in "times past". (Hebrews 1)

3)It IS loving to show people what the Bible (God) says versus what any man says in the name of God. I believe I am commanded to speak against the prophets who do not speak God's Words (like Ezekiel) (Ez 3:18-19), otherwise their blood is on my hands.

4)The point was that, like Wilkerson, Jim Jones did good deeds in the "name" of his idea of his "jesus" so good deeds do not a prophet make. I agree his jesus was not Jesus... and I agree that Wilkerson's IS... still not the point.

5)This word from Dave Wilkerson is something that (should not have) but HAS ALREADY sparked fear in many who love a god of their own making and in many who love God but do not yet understand that the Bible is ALL THEY NEED to be prepared for anything. (back to II Timothy 3)

6)I'm not sure what "seeking God in a deeper way" means because I am complete in Him and by His Word with nothing lacking. (Colossians 2:10, II Peter 1:3) I am prepared for anything that is to come because the Holy Spirit dwells within me... not because I listen to somebody telling me to store up 30 days worth of food.

Please Mr Anonymous...
Come see me again in a month or two or six and we'll discuss the events of the world that warranted this "Urgent Warning". Let the nukes fall and I'll still stand behind every word that I've typed here. I'll also be provided for, in whatever way God sees fit, even if He lets me die from starvation trusting Him instead of canned goods and military rations. He allowed the Apostles to be martyred. To die is gain. Grace to you. Thanks for the comments.

Anonymous said...

I accept your thanks tho you are caustic and bitter sounding. We all have room to grow in Christ tho. No one has or knows it all as you seem to think you do (as your 6th comment indicates). Perhaps those who are scared by the Wilkerson warning are realizing they need to know God better.

Andrew Murray said...

Very interesting article by Pastor Wilkerson. It is sobering but probably a very timely wakeup call to the Church and all Christians. In my opinion it is time to review our priorities and to “Seek First the Kingdom of God”...
Further research brought me to this interesting new blog: http://letscompare.blogspot.com/
It contains a very impressive (and sobering) list of Pastor Wilkerson’s 1973 prophecies with references from media reports that suggest possible “fulfillment”. That might answer your original question: "DAVID WILKERSON: Is this a true Word from God?"

Jon@TheWay said...

Andrew... re-read (or read since it doesn't look like you did) my comment 4 places above. Predictions that come to pass do not make a true biblical prophet.

The Bible says he is a false prophet... and Wilkerson himself has said he has wondered if he was a false prophet as well, because of his failed words.

Anonymous said...

Hi Jon,

Went through your comments abour David Wilkerson.

I just wanted to add that to my surprise he has written the same warnign for food supply in his book called "God's plan to protect his people in the coming depression" and it is so strange cause he gives specific advices on food store suply and first aid medical thign ect...?!!!!!
Well I almsot belived it before when I received his warnign lately and almost made the msitake to focus on his words rather than on the Bible which is enough for every chirstian, but now I think is better to turn on the right way :JESUS
Thanks for your advice and your post, very well explained.

Peace to you,

ABJ

Anonymous said...

Wow! A whole year later and no calamity! The prophecy specifically referred to US cities so the Haiti earthquake doesn't count. But could the Obamacare bill provoke rioting? I don't know, but my instincts are to pin the false prophet label on David Wilkerson.

aj said...

David Wilkerson claims not to be a prophet but only a watchman . I don't agree with everything he says especially the book he wrote on sipping saints or his teaching on alcohol. We are supppose to keep what we believe about those things to ourselves. Nevertheless, I highly respect David, and I think inspite of his many mistakes (Which he admits) he is a humble man on God.

Anonymous said...

David Wilkerson claims not to be a prophet but only a watchman . I don't agree with everything he says especially the book he wrote on sipping saints or his teaching on alcohol. We are supppose to keep what we believe about those things to ourselves. Nevertheless, I highly respect David, and I think inspite of his many mistakes (Which he admits) he is a humble man on God.